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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:17 am
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PokerStars Game #17237837433: Tournament #87364409, $6.00+$0.50
Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/05/06 - 06:27:37 (ET)
Table '87364409 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: michaltoja (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: shermanash (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: littlelok (2100 in chips)
Seat 4: mammfred (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: kingbouw (1220 in chips)
Seat 6: Old Wolf NZ (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: Luj0_1989 (730 in chips)
Seat 8: fissoc (2030 in chips)
Seat 9: Kakilakis (1500 in chips)
Old Wolf NZ: posts small blind 10
Luj0_1989: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [Kc As]
fissoc: folds
Kakilakis: calls 20
michaltoja: calls 20
shermanash: folds
littlelok: calls 20
mammfred: calls 20
kingbouw: folds
Old Wolf NZ: raises 120 to 140
Luj0_1989: folds
Kakilakis: calls 120
michaltoja: folds
littlelok: folds
mammfred: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [5s 7d 7s]
Old Wolf NZ: bets 200
Continuation bet
Kakilakis: raises 200 to 400
Here I figure he most likely has a small or medium pair
and is trying to tell me he thinks I'm bluffing. There's a
small chance he has A-big or A7 or 87s. I ignore 55, in
a turbo you can't afford worry about that.
mammfred: folds
Old Wolf NZ: calls 200
I take the good odds to draw to top pair.
*** TURN *** [5s 7d 7s] [Jc]
Old Wolf NZ: checks
Kakilakis: bets 400
I assume the chance he has 7x to balance out
the chance he has A-x. So I base my calculations
on the small to medium pair case.
If I call then I'm risking 400 to win 1680 plus whatever
I can extract on the river, so probably odds are
400-2400, i.e. 1 to 6.
Odds of hitting are 6/44, or 1 to 6.3 . This is close
enough to the required odds that I'll take it, because
of the chance that the guy is on a total bluff in a
cheap online tourney. And anyway, grinding with
920 chips after a fold is probably less profitable than
starting a new tourney.
Finally, if I call then I'm nearly pot committed,
and I think I have enough fold equity to jam
(he may put me on AJ now and fold), so it
would be better to jam than call.
Old Wolf NZ: raises 520 to 920 and is all-in
Kakilakis: calls 520
*** RIVER *** [5s 7d 7s Jc] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Old Wolf NZ: shows [Kc As] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Kakilakis: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
Old Wolf NZ collected 3120 from pot
What bothers me about this whole hand is that my
decisions were reasonable at every stage (folding
the turn being the only real alternative). Yet I ended
up needing to hit a long shot on the river to avoid
being eliminated. This often happens to me with AK
in bad position early in tournaments. Is this to be
expected? Should I be playing the hand differently
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On May 6 2008 7:17 AM, Old Wolf wrote:
> PokerStars Game #17237837433: Tournament #87364409, $6.00+$0.50
> Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/05/06 - 06:27:37 (ET)
> Table '87364409 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
> Seat 1: michaltoja (1500 in chips)
> Seat 2: shermanash (1490 in chips)
> Seat 3: littlelok (2100 in chips)
> Seat 4: mammfred (1470 in chips)
> Seat 5: kingbouw (1220 in chips)
> Seat 6: Old Wolf NZ (1460 in chips)
> Seat 7: Luj0_1989 (730 in chips)
> Seat 8: fissoc (2030 in chips)
> Seat 9: Kakilakis (1500 in chips)
> Old Wolf NZ: posts small blind 10
> Luj0_1989: posts big blind 20
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [Kc As]
> fissoc: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 20
> michaltoja: calls 20
> shermanash: folds
> littlelok: calls 20
> mammfred: calls 20
> kingbouw: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 120 to 140
> Luj0_1989: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 120
> michaltoja: folds
> littlelok: folds
> mammfred: calls 120
> *** FLOP *** [5s 7d 7s]
> Old Wolf NZ: bets 200
>
> Continuation bet
>
> Kakilakis: raises 200 to 400
>
> Here I figure he most likely has a small or medium pair
> and is trying to tell me he thinks I'm bluffing. There's a
> small chance he has A-big or A7 or 87s. I ignore 55, in
> a turbo you can't afford worry about that.
>
> mammfred: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: calls 200
>
> I take the good odds to draw to top pair.
>
> *** TURN *** [5s 7d 7s] [Jc]
> Old Wolf NZ: checks
> Kakilakis: bets 400
>
> I assume the chance he has 7x to balance out
> the chance he has A-x. So I base my calculations
> on the small to medium pair case.
>
> If I call then I'm risking 400 to win 1680 plus whatever
> I can extract on the river, so probably odds are
> 400-2400, i.e. 1 to 6.
>
> Odds of hitting are 6/44, or 1 to 6.3 . This is close
> enough to the required odds that I'll take it, because
> of the chance that the guy is on a total bluff in a
> cheap online tourney. And anyway, grinding with
> 920 chips after a fold is probably less profitable than
> starting a new tourney.
>
> Finally, if I call then I'm nearly pot committed,
> and I think I have enough fold equity to jam
> (he may put me on AJ now and fold), so it
> would be better to jam than call.
>
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 520 to 920 and is all-in
> Kakilakis: calls 520
> *** RIVER *** [5s 7d 7s Jc] [Ac]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Old Wolf NZ: shows [Kc As] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
> Kakilakis: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
> Old Wolf NZ collected 3120 from pot
>
> What bothers me about this whole hand is that my
> decisions were reasonable at every stage (folding
> the turn being the only real alternative). Yet I ended
> up needing to hit a long shot on the river to avoid
> being eliminated. This often happens to me with AK
> in bad position early in tournaments. Is this to be
> expected? Should I be playing the hand differently
> in this tournament situation?
Your decisions where wrong at pretty much every step. It's your
rationalizations that were reasonable.
What you're doing is making up your mind what you want to do then coming
up with an analysis that rationalizes that desire.
Throw the option of "Let's wait and see what happens" into your analysis
(that doesn't seem to have been considered a feasible option by you) and I
think you'll find you come to a different conclusion many times.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:05 am
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On May 6 2008 4:17 AM, Old Wolf wrote:
> PokerStars Game #17237837433: Tournament #87364409, $6.00+$0.50
> Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/05/06 - 06:27:37 (ET)
> Table '87364409 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
> Seat 1: michaltoja (1500 in chips)
> Seat 2: shermanash (1490 in chips)
> Seat 3: littlelok (2100 in chips)
> Seat 4: mammfred (1470 in chips)
> Seat 5: kingbouw (1220 in chips)
> Seat 6: Old Wolf NZ (1460 in chips)
> Seat 7: Luj0_1989 (730 in chips)
> Seat 8: fissoc (2030 in chips)
> Seat 9: Kakilakis (1500 in chips)
> Old Wolf NZ: posts small blind 10
> Luj0_1989: posts big blind 20
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [Kc As]
> fissoc: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 20
> michaltoja: calls 20
> shermanash: folds
> littlelok: calls 20
> mammfred: calls 20
> kingbouw: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 120 to 140
A reasonable raise, though I would probably make it more from OOP like
this.
> Luj0_1989: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 120
> michaltoja: folds
> littlelok: folds
> mammfred: calls 120
> *** FLOP *** [5s 7d 7s]
> Old Wolf NZ: bets 200
>
> Continuation bet
So you got called by 2 people preflop, both of whom have position on you.
You flopped nothing, but it was a reasonably decent flop for AK. Why are
you betting? It is unlikely that you will make a better hand fold, and
just as unlikely (given your big preflop raise), that you will get called
by a worse hand.
> Kakilakis: raises 200 to 400
>
> Here I figure he most likely has a small or medium pair
> and is trying to tell me he thinks I'm bluffing. There's a
> small chance he has A-big or A7 or 87s. I ignore 55, in
> a turbo you can't afford worry about that.
The thing you have neglected to mention, a rather key point, is that he
min-raised you with a player behind yet to act. This pretty much negates
any chance that he is on Ax (as the only Ax would be Ax of spades, but
you have the As).
> mammfred: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: calls 200
>
> I take the good odds to draw to top pair.
Incorrectly, yes. Even though there is 1080 in the pot, 200 is not
anywhere near sufficient odds to draw (as you correctly pointed out, he
may well have A7/A5, which reduce your outs to 0 or 3 from 6, and this is
not enough odds to draw even to 6 outs, even if they were good).
The is, of course the key point in the hand. You can fold and play on
another day, or you can put him on the sort of hand that he holds (a
reasonable assumption), and jam. If you jam, and he is a player who will
consider that your big preflop raise OOP and fearless flop actions
probably mean a big pair, then he will fold 44, and you will have
accomplished your goal. If, on the other hand, he will go to the felt
with these types of weak hands, then you are far better off in checking
the flop OOP, and probably folding to a bet (whle next time you have JJ in
the same spot, you double thru him).
> *** TURN *** [5s 7d 7s] [Jc]
> Old Wolf NZ: checks
> Kakilakis: bets 400
>
> I assume the chance he has 7x to balance out
> the chance he has A-x. So I base my calculations
> on the small to medium pair case.
>
> If I call then I'm risking 400 to win 1680 plus whatever
> I can extract on the river, so probably odds are
> 400-2400, i.e. 1 to 6.
>
> Odds of hitting are 6/44, or 1 to 6.3 . This is close
> enough to the required odds that I'll take it, because
> of the chance that the guy is on a total bluff in a
> cheap online tourney. And anyway, grinding with
> 920 chips after a fold is probably less profitable than
> starting a new tourney.
>
> Finally, if I call then I'm nearly pot committed,
> and I think I have enough fold equity to jam
> (he may put me on AJ now and fold), so it
> would be better to jam than call.
Well, you at least tried the jam, but you are wrong, you have absolutely
no fold equity at all. Your opponent is getting 5:1 odds from the pot and
has to call with anything but pure air. The rest of your reasonably is
fallacious and wildly optimistic at best, donktacular at worst.
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 520 to 920 and is all-in
> Kakilakis: calls 520
> *** RIVER *** [5s 7d 7s Jc] [Ac]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Old Wolf NZ: shows [Kc As] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
> Kakilakis: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
> Old Wolf NZ collected 3120 from pot
>
> What bothers me about this whole hand is that my
> decisions were reasonable at every stage (folding
> the turn being the only real alternative). Yet I ended
> up needing to hit a long shot on the river to avoid
> being eliminated. This often happens to me with AK
> in bad position early in tournaments. Is this to be
> expected? Should I be playing the hand differently
> in this tournament situation?
As you can see, I rather disagree with your assessment that you played the
hand reasonably. I rather think that you played it like a total donkey.
The turn was not your time to decide, the flop was, and you made, IMO, 2
mistakes on the flop, both of which put you in a far worse position that
you were in before.
Fell
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It is difficult to play these types of hands early against a full table.
No matter what you raise PF, you will probably be called by any pocket
pair, Ax, or two paint. I read a strategy guide that suggests you should
push with these hands at this blind level. I have started to do it
particularly with AA, KK, QQ, AK. WTF over... Double up or start another
one, but don't get beat by a donkey that decides he has plenty of chips
and can call 120 on the button with any two cards to take a shot at
busting a big hand that somebody can't get away from when they flop two
pair, trips, or a flush or straight draw .
I lay it down after I get raised post flop. My experience tells me that I
won't improve and even if I do, my opponent will have me beat. I would
have been pretty P.O.'d at your hanging on to AK for that miracle card had
I been him. It happens to me too often, but I can't seem to get the
breaks when the hands are reversed.
I have played 5 or so of these a day lately and the play is SO
unpredictable and there are always new players that it is almost purely
luck. The variance is horrible. I think many players like
On May 6 2008 6:17 AM, Old Wolf wrote:
> PokerStars Game #17237837433: Tournament #87364409, $6.00+$0.50
> Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/05/06 - 06:27:37 (ET)
> Table '87364409 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
> Seat 1: michaltoja (1500 in chips)
> Seat 2: shermanash (1490 in chips)
> Seat 3: littlelok (2100 in chips)
> Seat 4: mammfred (1470 in chips)
> Seat 5: kingbouw (1220 in chips)
> Seat 6: Old Wolf NZ (1460 in chips)
> Seat 7: Luj0_1989 (730 in chips)
> Seat 8: fissoc (2030 in chips)
> Seat 9: Kakilakis (1500 in chips)
> Old Wolf NZ: posts small blind 10
> Luj0_1989: posts big blind 20
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [Kc As]
> fissoc: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 20
> michaltoja: calls 20
> shermanash: folds
> littlelok: calls 20
> mammfred: calls 20
> kingbouw: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 120 to 140
> Luj0_1989: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 120
> michaltoja: folds
> littlelok: folds
> mammfred: calls 120
> *** FLOP *** [5s 7d 7s]
> Old Wolf NZ: bets 200
>
> Continuation bet
>
> Kakilakis: raises 200 to 400
>
> Here I figure he most likely has a small or medium pair
> and is trying to tell me he thinks I'm bluffing. There's a
> small chance he has A-big or A7 or 87s. I ignore 55, in
> a turbo you can't afford worry about that.
>
> mammfred: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: calls 200
>
> I take the good odds to draw to top pair.
>
> *** TURN *** [5s 7d 7s] [Jc]
> Old Wolf NZ: checks
> Kakilakis: bets 400
>
> I assume the chance he has 7x to balance out
> the chance he has A-x. So I base my calculations
> on the small to medium pair case.
>
> If I call then I'm risking 400 to win 1680 plus whatever
> I can extract on the river, so probably odds are
> 400-2400, i.e. 1 to 6.
>
> Odds of hitting are 6/44, or 1 to 6.3 . This is close
> enough to the required odds that I'll take it, because
> of the chance that the guy is on a total bluff in a
> cheap online tourney. And anyway, grinding with
> 920 chips after a fold is probably less profitable than
> starting a new tourney.
>
> Finally, if I call then I'm nearly pot committed,
> and I think I have enough fold equity to jam
> (he may put me on AJ now and fold), so it
> would be better to jam than call.
>
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 520 to 920 and is all-in
> Kakilakis: calls 520
> *** RIVER *** [5s 7d 7s Jc] [Ac]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Old Wolf NZ: shows [Kc As] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
> Kakilakis: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
> Old Wolf NZ collected 3120 from pot
>
> What bothers me about this whole hand is that my
> decisions were reasonable at every stage (folding
> the turn being the only real alternative). Yet I ended
> up needing to hit a long shot on the river to avoid
> being eliminated. This often happens to me with AK
> in bad position early in tournaments. Is this to be
> expected? Should I be playing the hand differently
> in this tournament situation?
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On May 6 2008 6:17 AM, Old Wolf wrote:
I've read everyone else's comments and will take a different approach. It
seems you took the results of the hand then used those to justify the play
at each street. I'll do the same here, but I'll change up the hand a bit.
> PokerStars Game #17237837433: Tournament #87364409, $6.00+$0.50
> Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/05/06 - 06:27:37 (ET)
> Table '87364409 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
> Seat 1: michaltoja (1500 in chips)
> Seat 2: shermanash (1490 in chips)
> Seat 3: littlelok (2100 in chips)
> Seat 4: mammfred (1470 in chips)
> Seat 5: kingbouw (1220 in chips)
> Seat 6: Old Wolf NZ (1460 in chips)
> Seat 7: Luj0_1989 (730 in chips)
> Seat 8: fissoc (2030 in chips)
> Seat 9: Kakilakis (1500 in chips)
> Old Wolf NZ: posts small blind 10
> Luj0_1989: posts big blind 20
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [2c 9s]
> fissoc: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 20
> michaltoja: calls 20
> shermanash: folds
> littlelok: calls 20
> mammfred: calls 20
> kingbouw: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 120 to 140
Well I do have 29o, so I'm putting in a raise for value.
> Luj0_1989: folds
> Kakilakis: calls 120
> michaltoja: folds
> littlelok: folds
> mammfred: calls 120
> *** FLOP *** [5s 7d 7s]
> Old Wolf NZ: bets 200
>
> Continuation bet
And why not continuation bet, we've raised pre-flop, so we might as well
bet the flop.
> Kakilakis: raises 200 to 400
>
> Here I figure he most likely has a small or medium pair
> and is trying to tell me he thinks I'm bluffing. There's a
> small chance he has A-big or A7 or 87s. I ignore 55, in
> a turbo you can't afford worry about that.
Here I figure he either has a small pair or 2 overs. If he has a small
pair I can hit my 9 and be good, if he has 2 overs he'll probably give up
on the turn. We ignore 55 or 77 because those are the hands we have no
chance of beating.
> mammfred: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: calls 200
>
> I take the good odds to draw to top pair.
I take the good odds to draw to top pair, or to push him off the hand on
the turn. The Diputsur OOP Float, if you will.
> *** TURN *** [5s 7d 7s] [Jc]
> Old Wolf NZ: checks
> Kakilakis: bets 400
>
> I assume the chance he has 7x to balance out
> the chance he has A-x. So I base my calculations
> on the small to medium pair case.
>
> If I call then I'm risking 400 to win 1680 plus whatever
> I can extract on the river, so probably odds are
> 400-2400, i.e. 1 to 6.
>
> Odds of hitting are 6/44, or 1 to 6.3 . This is close
> enough to the required odds that I'll take it, because
> of the chance that the guy is on a total bluff in a
> cheap online tourney. And anyway, grinding with
> 920 chips after a fold is probably less profitable than
> starting a new tourney.
>
> Finally, if I call then I'm nearly pot committed,
> and I think I have enough fold equity to jam
> (he may put me on AJ now and fold), so it
> would be better to jam than call.
>
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 520 to 920 and is all-in
> Kakilakis: calls 520
I have no fold equity, but think he might fold if I push. If I hit my 9 I
know I have his small pair beat, and if he has nothing he'll probably fold.
> *** RIVER *** [5s 7d 7s Jc] [9c]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Old Wolf NZ: shows [2c 9s] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
> Kakilakis: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
> Old Wolf NZ collected 3120 from pot
>
> What bothers me about this whole hand is that my
> decisions were reasonable at every stage (folding
> the turn being the only real alternative). Yet I ended
> up needing to hit a long shot on the river to avoid
> being eliminated. This often happens to me with AK
> in bad position early in tournaments. Is this to be
> expected? Should I be playing the hand differently
> in this tournament situation?
See how this works? You can say whatever you want after the hand and
justify it away.
First hand/orbit of a turbo at that buyin level I'd just push preflop.
You'll get called by such a wide variety of hands you'd be amazed.
Once you make a standard raise and get called more than once, you
basically give up if you miss. The problem with having AK is that they
always put you on AK, so unless you hit the flop wtih it, 44 is going to
call you all day long assuming you have AK. Justify the bad play away all
you want, but in the end we have a hand that was played very poorly here.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:54 am
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> Once you make a standard raise and get called more than once, you
> basically give up if you miss. The problem with having AK is that they
> always put you on AK, so unless you hit the flop wtih it, 44 is going to
> call you all day long assuming you have AK. Justify the bad play away all
> you want, but in the end we have a hand that was played very poorly here.
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Let me sum this up real nice for everyone. MOrph would have played his 44
the same way and now is using this thread to bash OP for rivering his hand
and busting (his?) hand.
And for those who do not really pay attention to Morph, his MO is to
criticize people for putting people on hands they can beat because as we
all know you should ALWAYS put your opponent on the nuts.
BOOM byae
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:57 am
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On May 7 2008 9:54 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Let me sum this up real nice for everyone. MOrph would have played his 44
> the same way and now is using this thread to bash OP for rivering his hand
> and busting (his?) hand.
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> And for those who do not really pay attention to Morph, his MO is to
> criticize people for putting people on hands they can beat because as we
> all know you should ALWAYS put your opponent on the nuts.
Holy shit do you even know how to read? What the hell are you talking
about? Do you agree Old Wolf's play with AK was a good play?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:09 am
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> Holy shit do you even know how to read? What the hell are you talking
> about? Do you agree Old Wolf's play with AK was a good play?
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> Morphy
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I used what you wrote to explain your MO which is redundant and boring.
Your analysis is the same every time no matter the circumstances.
OldWolfs rational is just as funny, but he doesn't fuck with me so I am
not fucking with him.
BOOM byae
John
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:18 am
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On May 7 2008 7:57 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> On May 7 2008 9:54 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
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> > Let me sum this up real nice for everyone. MOrph would have played his 44
> > the same way and now is using this thread to bash OP for rivering his hand
> > and busting (his?) hand.
> >
> > And for those who do not really pay attention to Morph, his MO is to
> > criticize people for putting people on hands they can beat because as we
> > all know you should ALWAYS put your opponent on the nuts.
>
> Holy shit do you even know how to read? What the hell are you talking
> about? Do you agree Old Wolf's play with AK was a good play?
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> Morphy
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lol. You seriously question whether the guy who picked, as a defenceman,
in an NHL playoff league, a forward from the team who finished dead last
in the regular season, whether or not he thinks AK played it poorly here?
Morphy, your reply to Old Wolf was one of the finest I have read on RGP in
a long time.
Fell
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:36 am
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On May 7 2008 9:44 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> On May 6 2008 6:17 AM, Old Wolf wrote:
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> I've read everyone else's comments and will take a different approach. It
> seems you took the results of the hand then used those to justify the play
> at each street. I'll do the same here, but I'll change up the hand a bit.
This was some amazing shit Morphy. NH sir!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:36 am
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> lol. You seriously question whether the guy who picked, as a defenceman,
> in an NHL playoff league, a forward from the team who finished dead last
> in the regular season, whether or not he thinks AK played it poorly here?
Oh jeez. You guys are lucky I don't keep track of all your mistakes and
regurgitate them over and over. My memory is not that great and I don't
care THAT much to do it.
> Morphy, your reply to Old Wolf was one of the finest I have read on RGP in
> a long time.
Old Wolf put the guy on exactly the hand he had, Morph made fun of him for
it and YOU defend him.
Hey Fell what is your poker roll? How about you give me half, we go
around back I kick you in the nuts and we call it a career?
> Fell
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> "One should always play fairly - when one has the winning cards."
> Oscar Wilde
BOOM byae
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:38 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:46 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:53 am
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On May 7 2008 10:36 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Old Wolf put the guy on exactly the hand he had, Morph made fun of him for
> it and YOU defend him.
Bullshit. Old Wolf couldn't fold AK because it's "BIG SLICK, a
MONSTER!!!!!!", then posted the hand and based all of his thinking and
post-hand analysis on the fact that the guy had 44.
Problem is, even though he was doing that, he still got some things wrong.
> Hey Fell what is your poker roll? How about you give me half, we go
> around back I kick you in the nuts and we call it a career?
Ok now that was funny. One of my favorite movies.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:36 am
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On May 7, 8:18 am, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 7 2008 7:57 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 7 2008 9:54 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
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> > > Let me sum this up real nice for everyone. MOrph would have played his 44
> > > the same way and now is using this thread to bash OP for rivering his hand
> > > and busting (his?) hand.
>
> > > And for those who do not really pay attention to Morph, his MO is to
> > > criticize people for putting people on hands they can beat because as we
> > > all know you should ALWAYS put your opponent on the nuts.
>
> > Holy shit do you even know how to read? What the hell are you talking
> > about? Do you agree Old Wolf's play with AK was a good play?
>
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmor....RemoveThis@donkeymanifesto.com
> >http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> lol. You seriously question whether the guy who picked, as a defenceman,
> in an NHL playoff league, a forward from the team who finished dead last
> in the regular season, whether or not he thinks AK played it poorly here?
>
> Morphy, your reply to Old Wolf was one of the finest I have read on RGP in
> a long time.
I think that honorable mention should be given to "Grrrrr... that's
it! Where's my diaper? I'm driving to
Milwaukee to kick some ass!" Not as deep as Morphy's satire, but damn
funny.
- Bob T.
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> Fell
> --
> "One should always play fairly - when one has the winning cards."
> Oscar Wilde
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