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Brian

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Since: Sep 16, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:41 am
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I've been playing a table game (non poker) semi-professionally for awhile,
going to Vegas at least once a month in the past 6 months and have just
broken six digits in profits. I usually act touristy and keep a pretty low
profile. While playing this past weekend at a major casino, the dealer at
my table said that she thinks I'm a professional player. I've heard stories
about the Griffith Book, the MIT kids, and how casinos have way of
monitoring unwanted players. I don't want to blow my cover now because the
$$$ is becoming substantial. I kept cool and just said that "I took it as a
compliment, you must think I'm good.", trying to get her to stay away from
that subject. She turned around and repeated the same thing to the
supervisor. They both started talking how I should bet bigger (my bankroll
was about $30K) since i were using a system that's working to maximize
profits . I said I don't like the stress associated with betting big, not
my style. Personally, I think I'm too small a fish but I can see how they
may get concerned since they clearly have seen how much money I've made
from Player Card and marker transactions. My conservative strategy, a
combination of percentage and counting, usually net 25%-75% gain per trip
and has a loss limit of 5-10K. I don't think they were trying to help me.
What do you guys think? Anything I should worry about?

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arlo payne

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:59 am
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All Blackjack players days are numbered.
Don't plan on having any edge much longer. With each card going back in
the deck at most places and many more buying the equipment each day. Most
BJ counters have given up the game.

Don't play very long in the same casino. With all the joints in Vegas it
will take you a long time to make the rounds. Stay low and drink while
you play. A little coke and water with a dash of wiskey for smell works
well. Make sure you take the drink to the table with you!


On Sep 16 2003 12:41AM, Brian wrote:

> I've been playing a table game (non poker) semi-professionally for awhile,
> going to Vegas at least once a month in the past 6 months and have just
> broken six digits in profits. I usually act touristy and keep a pretty low
> profile. While playing this past weekend at a major casino, the dealer at
> my table said that she thinks I'm a professional player. I've heard stories
> about the Griffith Book, the MIT kids, and how casinos have way of
> monitoring unwanted players. I don't want to blow my cover now because the
> $$$ is becoming substantial. I kept cool and just said that "I took it as a
> compliment, you must think I'm good.", trying to get her to stay away from
> that subject. She turned around and repeated the same thing to the
> supervisor. They both started talking how I should bet bigger (my bankroll
> was about $30K) since i were using a system that's working to maximize
> profits . I said I don't like the stress associated with betting big, not
> my style. Personally, I think I'm too small a fish but I can see how they
> may get concerned since they clearly have seen how much money I've made
> from Player Card and marker transactions. My conservative strategy, a
> combination of percentage and counting, usually net 25%-75% gain per trip
> and has a loss limit of 5-10K. I don't think they were trying to help me.
> What do you guys think? Anything I should worry about?

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John Harkness

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Since: Aug 21, 2003
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:59 am
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:36:26 -0500, "guppy" <spamme RemoveThis @gotohell.com>
wrote:

>With each card going back in
>> the deck at most places and many more buying the equipment each day.
>
>WHAT does this mean??????
>
He's talking about "continuous shuffle" machines -- cards that come
out of the deck go right back into the deck be shuffled in, so that
one is, in essence, playing an endless deck.

John Harkness


>"arlo payne" <arlo_payne RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3f66dee9$0$51811$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> All Blackjack players days are numbered.
>> Don't plan on having any edge much longer. With each card going back in
>> the deck at most places and many more buying the equipment each day. Most
>> BJ counters have given up the game.
>>
>> Don't play very long in the same casino. With all the joints in Vegas it
>> will take you a long time to make the rounds. Stay low and drink while
>> you play. A little coke and water with a dash of wiskey for smell works
>> well. Make sure you take the drink to the table with you!
>>
>>
>> On Sep 16 2003 12:41AM, Brian wrote:
>>
>> > I've been playing a table game (non poker) semi-professionally for
>awhile,
>> > going to Vegas at least once a month in the past 6 months and have just
>> > broken six digits in profits. I usually act touristy and keep a pretty
>low
>> > profile. While playing this past weekend at a major casino, the dealer
>at
>> > my table said that she thinks I'm a professional player. I've heard
>stories
>> > about the Griffith Book, the MIT kids, and how casinos have way of
>> > monitoring unwanted players. I don't want to blow my cover now because
>the
>> > $$$ is becoming substantial. I kept cool and just said that "I took it
>as a
>> > compliment, you must think I'm good.", trying to get her to stay away
>from
>> > that subject. She turned around and repeated the same thing to the
>> > supervisor. They both started talking how I should bet bigger (my
>bankroll
>> > was about $30K) since i were using a system that's working to maximize
>> > profits . I said I don't like the stress associated with betting big,
>not
>> > my style. Personally, I think I'm too small a fish but I can see how
>they
>> > may get concerned since they clearly have seen how much money I've made
>> > from Player Card and marker transactions. My conservative strategy, a
>> > combination of percentage and counting, usually net 25%-75% gain per
>trip
>> > and has a loss limit of 5-10K. I don't think they were trying to help
>me.
>> > What do you guys think? Anything I should worry about?
>>
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>>
>
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Bdub

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:14 pm
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I experienced the continuous shuffle in an Aruba casino a couple of weeks
ago.

I was taken aback by it. I hadn't been in a casino in about a year and
didn't know casinos were putting this in practice. Any idea which Vegas
casinos are employing the continuous shuffle and which are not?


On Sep 16 2003 2:45AM, John Harkness wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:36:26 -0500, "guppy" <spamme RemoveThis @gotohell.com>
> wrote:
>
> >With each card going back in
> >> the deck at most places and many more buying the equipment each day.
> >
> >WHAT does this mean??????
> >
> He's talking about "continuous shuffle" machines -- cards that come
> out of the deck go right back into the deck be shuffled in, so that
> one is, in essence, playing an endless deck.
>
> John Harkness
>
>
> >"arlo payne" <arlo_payne RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:3f66dee9$0$51811$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> >> All Blackjack players days are numbered.
> >> Don't plan on having any edge much longer. With each card going back in
> >> the deck at most places and many more buying the equipment each day. Most
> >> BJ counters have given up the game.
> >>
> >> Don't play very long in the same casino. With all the joints in Vegas it
> >> will take you a long time to make the rounds. Stay low and drink while
> >> you play. A little coke and water with a dash of wiskey for smell works
> >> well. Make sure you take the drink to the table with you!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 16 2003 12:41AM, Brian wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've been playing a table game (non poker) semi-professionally for
> >awhile,
> >> > going to Vegas at least once a month in the past 6 months and have just
> >> > broken six digits in profits. I usually act touristy and keep a pretty
> >low
> >> > profile. While playing this past weekend at a major casino, the dealer
> >at
> >> > my table said that she thinks I'm a professional player. I've heard
> >stories
> >> > about the Griffith Book, the MIT kids, and how casinos have way of
> >> > monitoring unwanted players. I don't want to blow my cover now because
> >the
> >> > $$$ is becoming substantial. I kept cool and just said that "I took it
> >as a
> >> > compliment, you must think I'm good.", trying to get her to stay away
> >from
> >> > that subject. She turned around and repeated the same thing to the
> >> > supervisor. They both started talking how I should bet bigger (my
> >bankroll
> >> > was about $30K) since i were using a system that's working to maximize
> >> > profits . I said I don't like the stress associated with betting big,
> >not
> >> > my style. Personally, I think I'm too small a fish but I can see how
> >they
> >> > may get concerned since they clearly have seen how much money I've made
> >> > from Player Card and marker transactions. My conservative strategy, a
> >> > combination of percentage and counting, usually net 25%-75% gain per
> >trip
> >> > and has a loss limit of 5-10K. I don't think they were trying to help
> >me.
> >> > What do you guys think? Anything I should worry about?
> >>

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zenman

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Since: Aug 17, 2003
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:20 pm
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A few years back I played BJ as a supplemental income and wanted to play
as a living, and though I had a slightly +EV, the fluctuations, my
bankroll, and my common sense wouldn't let me do it. Then I found poker,
and after 6 months of losing, my game was at a +EV in many of the games I
played. I started playing full time after about 2 1/2 years.

While playing BJ there were two situations where I drew "heat". I simply
did not return to those games for a while, and when I returned there was
no more heat. You need to evaluate how many +EV games there are in town
for you, and see if there are enough where you can hop around a bit. Play
2-3 casinos at a time, as a tourist would. I played only the double-deck
vegas strip games at the time which were the most profitable. At that time
there were enough of these games around to avoid any casino where I drew
heat, I'm not current on the games there now.

Best advice though, play poker. You'll probably find it to be much more
profitable and less stressful.

Zen

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Douglas Paterson

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:56 am
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"Bdub" <anonymous RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I experienced the continuous shuffle in an Aruba casino a couple of weeks
> ago.
>
> I was taken aback by it. I hadn't been in a casino in about a year and
> didn't know casinos were putting this in practice. Any idea which Vegas
> casinos are employing the continuous shuffle and which are not?
>

This subject gets a lot of discussion over on rec.gambling.blackjack. I
suggest you post this question there, you should get a lot of responses (I'd
help, but I don't know the answer).

--
Doug
"Where am I to go/Now that I've gone too far?" -- Golden Earring, "Twilight
Zone"
(my email is spam-proofed; read the address and make the appropriate change
to contact me)
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