I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers

When playing live at a casino, the dealers have a job to do and they do it. 
Whether it's blackjack, poker or craps - they're only there for the customers so
we can gamble and hopefully come out a winner.  Most of the time we don't win,
but most folks who enter a casino and have any idea of what's going on know that
tipping is part of the gambling process.  If you don't want to do it, fine, but
you're right - you should stay out of live action and keep to online games and
keep your tokes; I have no problem with that idea.  Personally I do always tip
the craps dealers by betting for them while I play, and if I win, I give them
part of the profits.... they earned it for me by running the game so I could
enjoy it!   I tip the poker dealers $1 min for average pots, but more for larger
ones or nothing if blinds are chopped.  Where I play live there's a bonus board
for high hands, and when I win one I guarantee them 10% off the top so they're
usually rooting for me to win as well - they came to work; I came to play and
gamble and even if I lose, they still had to do the same amount of work for me
so I could play like a donkey and give money away!  And sad to admit, but I'm
one of those who will remind (generally younger players) who don't tip to not
forget their dealer when they rake a pot.  When I'm in Vegas and have to remind
folks (pleasantly) to tip, the dealers wink and always ask me if I'm a dealer
too!

To me, the process of tipping dealers is part of gambling, and if you don't want
to tip then keep playing online - no harm in that!

-Mr. Tippy

On Apr 4 2008 10:57 AM, Lute wrote:

> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. But when it comes to
> tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
>

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On Apr 4 2008 12:48 PM, Lute wrote:

> $1 per winning pot is less than what I tip for a pot of any
> considerable size.

The pot would generally have to be several hundred dollars before I tip more
than a dollar*.

> But tipping $1 for winning the blinds in $1-$2 is a bit too much.
> And dealers seem to expect it.
>
Correct, I don't tip anything for winning the blinds (nor do I play 1-2)*.

*Of course, at BARGE, I tip very generously, and BARGERS as a rule, while at
BARGE are very lavish with their tokes.

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> *Of course, at BARGE, I tip very generously, and BARGERS as a rule, while at
> BARGE are very lavish with their tokes.

 Arg events are fun. Its not a grind it out life or death for profit session.
Everyone should tip generously for the hospitality
of the casino staff.  Hey its one fun weekend. I do Fargo every year.
 Dealers and staff seem to like argers.....
But what I like the most is the play.
Sometimes its so far above the weekend NL warriors that they simple can't
understand the play and automatically tag it as fishy.
I wear my badge,drink and have fun, and, take their dough.
I can see the OP's point though. Some dealers really suck and I won't tip
them much either.
 I seldom tip pots under $20. If you are playing to win, you watch tips.
But a good dealer deserves tips and I do tip accordingly.
jim




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On Apr 4 2008 9:57 AM, Lute wrote:

> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. But when it comes to
> tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
>
> Tipping poker dealers is a really bad deal, once you start adding up
> the cost. Let's say you tip about five percent of each pot you win.
> That's an enormous price, considering that your cost of winning that
> one pot is the dollar amount of lost bets (including blinds) that you
> make prior to winning that pot.
>
> One of the reasons I play mostly online nowadays is that the cost of
> tipping is eliminated altogether. (Also, the rake is about half of a
> b&m game.) That's a significant increase in profit.
>
> I have the utmost regard for those poker dealers who are really good,
> who keep control of the table, and who make the experience more
> pleasant. I never stiff these guys and gals, even when I am behind.
> They should get paid more.
>
> But most dealers are not that good. My main complaint is about
> dealers that allow players (not in the hand) to get away with talking
> about a hand during play that may harm an active player. But plenty
> of dealers are just mediocre, and do not earn their $30 plus/hour
> tips.
>
> In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
> received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> over the long haul.
>
> Psychologically, it is difficult to withhold tips to which dealers
> feel entitled, but I'm overcoming that. Call me greedy, but I think
> that the whole dealer-tipping thing is based on the invalid concept
> that a won poker pot is "free money" to the winner. It's not. When
> you add up the overhead and opportunity costs, there is a lot of
> investment involved in that end-of-month withdrawal from the poker
> account. And of course, when you have a losing month, every dollar in
> tips only adds to the losses.

Once a nigger always a nigger!!!!

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On Apr 4 2008 9:57 AM, Lute wrote:

> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. But when it comes to
> tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
>
> Tipping poker dealers is a really bad deal, once you start adding up
> the cost. Let's say you tip about five percent of each pot you win.
> That's an enormous price, considering that your cost of winning that
> one pot is the dollar amount of lost bets (including blinds) that you
> make prior to winning that pot.
>
> One of the reasons I play mostly online nowadays is that the cost of
> tipping is eliminated altogether. (Also, the rake is about half of a
> b&m game.) That's a significant increase in profit.
>
> I have the utmost regard for those poker dealers who are really good,
> who keep control of the table, and who make the experience more
> pleasant. I never stiff these guys and gals, even when I am behind.
> They should get paid more.
>
> But most dealers are not that good. My main complaint is about
> dealers that allow players (not in the hand) to get away with talking
> about a hand during play that may harm an active player. But plenty
> of dealers are just mediocre, and do not earn their $30 plus/hour
> tips.
>
> In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
> received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> over the long haul.
>
> Psychologically, it is difficult to withhold tips to which dealers
> feel entitled, but I'm overcoming that. Call me greedy, but I think
> that the whole dealer-tipping thing is based on the invalid concept
> that a won poker pot is "free money" to the winner. It's not. When
> you add up the overhead and opportunity costs, there is a lot of
> investment involved in that end-of-month withdrawal from the poker
> account. And of course, when you have a losing month, every dollar in
> tips only adds to the losses.

You are a niggardly chump!!!!!

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"Lute" <lutelatner.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.

Most of you are prolly yanks, I am english, I rarely tip anyone for
anything, unless the service which is provided is above and beyond the
expected, these people do earn a wage ya know, I never feel like I HAVE TO
tip, sod that shit, any sob stories about they got kids to feed and shit,
well, if their standard wage is not enough, they should get a higher paid
job, I have kids to feed to. People who EXPECT tips are just rip of
merchants, anyone who deserves a tip, gets it.
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On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:03:55 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for RemoveThis @it.com> wrote:

>
>"Lute" <lutelatner RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
>news:83ede392-589d-404b-b172-4e2b339d7485@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
>Most of you are prolly yanks, I am english, I rarely tip anyone for
>anything, unless the service which is provided is above and beyond the
>expected, these people do earn a wage ya know, I never feel like I HAVE TO
>tip, sod that shit, any sob stories about they got kids to feed and shit,
>well, if their standard wage is not enough, they should get a higher paid
>job, I have kids to feed to. People who EXPECT tips are just rip of
>merchants, anyone who deserves a tip, gets it.
>

Being an American, I look with dismay at the writing and spelling
skills of my fellow countrymen.

Usually, the skills of Brits at writing and spelling are better.
Sadly, in your case not so much.

"...I have kids to feed to." ??

Too, to, two, tutu.
Which one of those do not belong with the others?

Now, having said that.
I do agree with your sentiments.

If they don't like the wages at their job, let them go get another
one.

I still do tip waiters, though.
It's expected.
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On Apr 4 2008 12:57 PM, Lute wrote:

> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
> Don't get me wrong.

Throw a buck in there regardless of the pot size. It won't hurt you.
Nobody expects you to tip 5%.

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On Apr 4 2008 7:30 PM, jimpepper wrote:

> > *Of course, at BARGE, I tip very generously, and BARGERS as a rule, while
at
> > BARGE are very lavish with their tokes.
>
>  Arg events are fun. Its not a grind it out life or death for profit session.
> Everyone should tip generously for the hospitality
> of the casino staff.  Hey its one fun weekend. I do Fargo every year.

I really wish you'd make it out to BARGE one year. Not this year since
I'm going to be in to the IRS enough to prevent my trip. You're one of
the few long-time posters I'd like to meet.

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On Apr 4 2008 8:57 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

>
> But wait, you win an average of 3 pots per hour. We'll say $3 rake per
> pot (assuming a $4 rake that doesn't always get maxed out) and there's a
> jackpot drop of $1. Now you're only making $14.25 an hour. That's more
> like vocational school money. But wait, you tip $1/hand you win. Now
> you're making $11.25 - McDonalds manager money. But wait - you get a
> drink per hour, and tip the drink girl $1.

No fucking way Cincy is only getting one drink per hour. Neither are me
and Tanya for that matter.

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On Apr 4 2008 11:32 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
> > received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> > am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> > over the long haul.
>
> I have no idea why anyone tips a dealer.

Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a rock, you
should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
expectation that they will receive tips.

If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to be
one too.

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Shouldnt you micro-limit dickweed squeezes be studying for the test to move up
to french fry station ?

On Apr 4 2008 12:57 PM, Lute wrote:

> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. But when it comes to
> tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
>
> Tipping poker dealers is a really bad deal, once you start adding up
> the cost. Let's say you tip about five percent of each pot you win.
> That's an enormous price, considering that your cost of winning that
> one pot is the dollar amount of lost bets (including blinds) that you
> make prior to winning that pot.
>
> One of the reasons I play mostly online nowadays is that the cost of
> tipping is eliminated altogether. (Also, the rake is about half of a
> b&m game.) That's a significant increase in profit.
>
> I have the utmost regard for those poker dealers who are really good,
> who keep control of the table, and who make the experience more
> pleasant. I never stiff these guys and gals, even when I am behind.
> They should get paid more.
>
> But most dealers are not that good. My main complaint is about
> dealers that allow players (not in the hand) to get away with talking
> about a hand during play that may harm an active player. But plenty
> of dealers are just mediocre, and do not earn their $30 plus/hour
> tips.
>
> In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
> received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> over the long haul.
>
> Psychologically, it is difficult to withhold tips to which dealers
> feel entitled, but I'm overcoming that. Call me greedy, but I think
> that the whole dealer-tipping thing is based on the invalid concept
> that a won poker pot is "free money" to the winner. It's not. When
> you add up the overhead and opportunity costs, there is a lot of
> investment involved in that end-of-month withdrawal from the poker
> account. And of course, when you have a losing month, every dollar in
> tips only adds to the losses.



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> Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a rock, you
> should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
> expectation that they will receive tips.

I do not equate waiters and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I eat
out, close to 20%.

> If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to be
> one too.

I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I only explained why I
don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think you're getting any
value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the table my point
is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay dealers a
decent wage.

Dean

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