I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers

On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:

> On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> >
> > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> >
> > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> >
> > BTW
> > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with that
pretty
> new
> > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
>
> Classy

Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not war"?

This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of Cincy,
I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.

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On Apr 6 2008 12:44 PM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > >
> > > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> > > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> > >
> > > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> > >
> > > BTW
> > > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with that
> pretty
> > new
> > > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
> >
> > Classy
>
> Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
> the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not war"?
>
> This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of Cincy,
> I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.

Let's hope Arlo attends BARGE. I have a nice greeting for him.

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> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>> On line requires no dealers. Technology is a wonderful thing. Those
>> automated tables will make more sense to people as time goes on.
>
> Sort of like the difference between a massage girl and a massage chair.

No, massage girls are selling the fantasy that they might bang you.

Generally, if I'm playing poker, I'm not fantasizing about the dealer.

on rare occasions, if she's really hot, yes, but that's outside the scope of
the discussion.


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"Beldin the Sorcerer"

>>> On line requires no dealers. Technology is a wonderful thing. Those
>>> automated tables will make more sense to people as time goes on.
>>
>> Sort of like the difference between a massage girl and a massage chair.
>
> No, massage girls are selling the fantasy that they might bang you.

Substitute massage-person for those that are not into infantile fantasy.

You sure can miss the point, Beldin.
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On Apr 5, 7:28 am, "Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrew....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 4 2008 7:30 PM, jimpepper wrote:
>
>
>
> > > *Of course, at BARGE, I tip very generously, and BARGERS as a rule, while
> at
> > > BARGE are very lavish with their tokes.
>
> >  Arg events are fun. Its not a grind it out life or death for profit session.
> > Everyone should tip generously for the hospitality
> > of the casino staff.  Hey its one fun weekend. I do Fargo every year.
>
> I really wish you'd make it out to BARGE one year.  Not this year since
> I'm going to be in to the IRS enough to prevent my trip.  You're one of
> the few long-time posters I'd like to meet.
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WHAT!!!!!!

I thought you were going to beat me up. And now you're not??

You mean you were just running your mouth!?
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On Apr 6 2008 9:44 AM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > >
> > > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> > > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> > >
> > > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> > >
> > > BTW
> > > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with that
> pretty
> > new
> > > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
> >
> > Classy
>
> Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
> the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not war"?
>
> This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of Cincy,
> I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.

He called me an idiot for no reason.
I am sick of that kind of shit and when it happens from now on I will fire back.
Read what he said about me above


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On Apr 6 2008 2:32 PM, arlo payne wrote:

> On Apr 6 2008 9:44 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?"
Please...just
> > > > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> > > >
> > > > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> > > >
> > > > BTW
> > > > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with that
> > pretty
> > > new
> > > > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
> > >
> > > Classy
> >
> > Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
> > the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not war"?
> >
> > This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of Cincy,
> > I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.
>
> He called me an idiot for no reason.
> I am sick of that kind of shit and when it happens from now on I will fire
back.
> Read what he said about me above

That was actually to Russ. That said, you are obviously are an idiot.
Since you brought my son into it I can only hope you attend BARGE so I can
kick your ass. This isn't an idle threat. If you attend BARGE I am kicking
your ass. That's a promise. What you said was uncalled for. It will be
dealt with.

I'm not gonna get into an argument with you for the next months leading up
tp BARGE, either. I'm not even gonna mention it after this. I will go to
BARGE. I'll have someone point you out to me. I will introduce myself and
ask you to step outside. I will then proceed to beat your ass.

Carry on.

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On Apr 6 2008 10:13 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:

> On Apr 6 2008 12:44 PM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> > > > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> > > >
> > > > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> > > >
> > > > BTW
> > > > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with that
> > pretty
> > > new
> > > > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
> > >
> > > Classy
> >
> > Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
> > the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not war"?
> >
> > This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of Cincy,
> > I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.
>
> Let's hope Arlo attends BARGE. I have a nice greeting for him.

Dont ever think of sending a threat my way again or calling me an idiot again
when you hav e no idea what you are talking about boy.
Trust me if I consider you a threat it will be dealt with at once in a very
direct and final manner.  You may want to stop your crap before your mouth or in
this case your fingers get you way over your head.
So you say you will be at barge.  Interesting perhaps DK will be they also he
owes me a few favors.  Russ knows who DK is and Russ will tell you DK will do
almost anything I ask him to.  Trust me you don't want to see me at barge after
your threat.
Once again NEVER call me an idiot again when it is you that has their head up
there ass.
I am just sick of you and those that also think it is OK to insult people
online.
I never said one bad word to you and in fact supported you in the past.  But
after your slander attack you are on your own.

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So not tipping makes you a bad person. Well, I can give you a few stories on
this. About 8-10 years ago, I was playing in Europe and signed up for the
Baden-Baden Tournament in Germany. I play cash games and the buyin was 5000
German Marks (same as $3,000 US). I always sat with 50,000 in Marks, while the
others had much less.

Though it was a time game, though you had to pay to eneter the casino, they
still had a mandatory 2% tip on every pot. Now I'm very aggressive and the game
was PLH. I was in pot after pot of 10,000 marks or more with the players.

I'd win some, lose some. Many pots I only tipped about 1%, about 60 Marks or $36
dollars. Yes, the player were bad. The tournament was to run for a week and they
only had one big game. After three days, I was EVEN, though I had tipped in
excess of 10,000 Marks ($6,000 US). On my fourth day, they didn't find my name
on the list:), becauuse I only tipped 1% many of the pots.

This is basic in Europe excpect when Big Tournaments are running. Even in
Austria, you have to pay 100 Euro to enter the casino to watch while a
tournament is going. But, you get a buffet.


Here's a story of a BIG SHOT TIPPER that was taught a lesson. I went and played
at Garden City in the Bay Area about thirty years ago. I met a chip girl there
and asked her out. She told me to see her the next week as she was breaking up
with her boyfriend and moving.

The next week I came up and met her at her new place. She had to work that night
and I went to play. I had bought her a nice present (expensive). Now she was a
chip girl and food server and VERY CUTE. I ordered and when I went to pay, I
tipped her about $5.00 on about a $20 bill. Now, out comes a big mouth, thinking
he'd embarrass me. He'd never seen me before and had no idea I had just moved in
with this girl, who he apparenetly had asked out nmerous times.

Out of hs mouth comes, Is that all a high roller like you can tip a beautiful
girl like that"? I then told him, whaever you tip her, I'll tip 5 times as much.
Now the 'BIG SHOT' came with $1,000 and laughed. I when into my pocket and out
came $5,000.

Later, when we got home, we both made $500. I love 'big shots' with big mouths.

Russ Georgiev

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On Apr 5 2008 8:14 AM, TimSully wrote:

> On Apr 4, 1:57=A0pm, Lute wrote:
> > I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. =A0I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> > staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. =A0But when it comes to
> > tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> > when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
> >
> > Tipping poker dealers is a really bad deal, once you start adding up
> > the cost. =A0Let's say you tip about five percent of each pot you win.
> > That's an enormous price, considering that your cost of winning that
> > one pot is the dollar amount of lost bets (including blinds) that you
> > make prior to winning that pot.
> >
> > One of the reasons I play mostly online nowadays is that the cost of
> > tipping is eliminated altogether. =A0(Also, the rake is about half of a
> > b&m game.) =A0That's a significant increase in profit.
> >
> > I have the utmost regard for those poker dealers who are really good,
> > who keep control of the table, and who make the experience more
> > pleasant. =A0I never stiff these guys and gals, even when I am behind.
> > They should get paid more.
> >
> > But most dealers are not that good. =A0My main complaint is about
> > dealers that allow players (not in the hand) to get away with talking
> > about a hand during play that may harm an active player. =A0But plenty
> > of dealers are just mediocre, and do not earn their $30 plus/hour
> > tips.
> >
> > In the end, the decision is financial. =A0I'll pay value for value
> > received. =A0But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> > am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> > over the long haul.
> >
> > Psychologically, it is difficult to withhold tips to which dealers
> > feel entitled, but I'm overcoming that. =A0Call me greedy, but I think
> > that the whole dealer-tipping thing is based on the invalid concept
> > that a won poker pot is "free money" to the winner. =A0It's not. =A0When
> > you add up the overhead and opportunity costs, there is a lot of
> > investment involved in that end-of-month withdrawal from the poker
> > account. =A0And of course, when you have a losing month, every dollar in
> > tips only adds to the losses.
>
> It's your prerogative to tip or not, not tipping just makes you a bad
> person, that's all. Nobody expects you to tip when you take down the
> blinds, or even when you take down a $12 pot with a flop bet. If you
> don't fire a buck to the dealer when you win a $230 pot, you're a
> scumbag plain and simple.



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On Apr 6 2008 12:03 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:

> On Apr 6 2008 2:32 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> > On Apr 6 2008 9:44 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?"
> Please...just
> > > > > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> > > > >
> > > > > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW
> > > > > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with that
> > > pretty
> > > > new
> > > > > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
> > > >
> > > > Classy
> > >
> > > Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
> > > the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not war"?
> > >
> > > This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of Cincy,
> > > I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.
> >
> > He called me an idiot for no reason.
> > I am sick of that kind of shit and when it happens from now on I will fire
> back.
> > Read what he said about me above
>
> That was actually to Russ. That said, you are obviously are an idiot.
> Since you brought my son into it I can only hope you attend BARGE so I can
> kick your ass. This isn't an idle threat. If you attend BARGE I am kicking
> your ass. That's a promise. What you said was uncalled for. It will be
> dealt with.
>
> I'm not gonna get into an argument with you for the next months leading up
> tp BARGE, either. I'm not even gonna mention it after this. I will go to
> BARGE. I'll have someone point you out to me. I will introduce myself and
> ask you to step outside. I will then proceed to beat your ass.
>
> Carry on.
Boy you are a very big tough man.  First starting a fight with a person with a
heart conndition and hitting him will get you 10 in the pen.
Second why in the world do you thiink I would go to barge.  I have never in the
past I dont even know where or when it is.
You make one more threat towards me or call me an idiot again without reason (
as you did when you started this) you just might find someone at barge looking
for you tough guy.
Now cut your crap before you learn to regret it.  You are not in my league boy.
Oh and it WAS NOT Russ it was YOUR reply to my post that started this.
You call me names for no reason I will attack back and hard.

Your words:

My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.

Your post:
On Apr 5 2008 3:46 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
On Apr 5 2008 12:11 PM, arlo payne wrote: > On Apr 5 2008 8:42 AM, MrBookworm
wrote: > > > > Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a
rock, you > > > should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
> > > expectation that they will receive tips. > > > > I do not equate waiters
and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I eat > > out, close to 20%. > > >
> > If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to be >
> > one too. > > > > I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I only
explained why I > > don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think you're
getting any > > value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the table
my point > > is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay
dealers a > > decent wage. > > > > Dean > > > Most semi full time players
dont understand they toke away a new car every year. > Many toke off way more
than they make during the year. > If you are playing for a living paying
attention to what you toke off is very > important.  If dealers dont understand
how it works then they are fools. > The full time players keep the games alive
allowing the dealers to work and make > tokes.  If is a win win give give plan. 
No dealer should be upset at a full > time players that tokes very little. My
god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just stop. A
fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.




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On Apr 6 2008 4:03 PM, arlo payne wrote:

> On Apr 6 2008 12:03 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Apr 6 2008 2:32 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 6 2008 9:44 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 5 2008 8:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 5 2008 7:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 5 2008 11:46 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?"
> > Please...just
> > > > > > > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Big clue for you :  It is never a good idea to call me an idiot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW
> > > > > > How is it going with that drinking instead of spending time with
that
> > > > pretty
> > > > > new
> > > > > > born baby you walked out on?  Yep you are a real smart man indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Classy
> > > >
> > > > Agreed. Arlo, what's up with all the hate? You're the guy that goes to
> > > > the casino in his pajamas. Wasn't the hippie motto "make love, not
war"?
> > > >
> > > > This post seems very much unlike you. Even if you don't approve of
Cincy,
> > > > I would think that you'd keep that to yourself.
> > >
> > > He called me an idiot for no reason.
> > > I am sick of that kind of shit and when it happens from now on I will
fire
> > back.
> > > Read what he said about me above
> >
> > That was actually to Russ. That said, you are obviously are an idiot.
> > Since you brought my son into it I can only hope you attend BARGE so I can
> > kick your ass. This isn't an idle threat. If you attend BARGE I am kicking
> > your ass. That's a promise. What you said was uncalled for. It will be
> > dealt with.
> >
> > I'm not gonna get into an argument with you for the next months leading up
> > tp BARGE, either. I'm not even gonna mention it after this. I will go to
> > BARGE. I'll have someone point you out to me. I will introduce myself and
> > ask you to step outside. I will then proceed to beat your ass.
> >
> > Carry on.
> Boy you are a very big tough man.  First starting a fight with a person with
a
> heart conndition and hitting him will get you 10 in the pen.
> Second why in the world do you thiink I would go to barge.  I have never in
the
> past I dont even know where or when it is.
> You make one more threat towards me or call me an idiot again without reason
(
> as you did when you started this) you just might find someone at barge
looking
> for you tough guy.
> Now cut your crap before you learn to regret it.  You are not in my league
boy.
> Oh and it WAS NOT Russ it was YOUR reply to my post that started this.
> You call me names for no reason I will attack back and hard.
>
> Your words:
>
> My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.

No, it was to Russ. However, since you decided to bring my son into it I
now have to kick your ass. That was your choice, not mine. I'm not
kidding. You crossed the line, not me.


> Your post:
> On Apr 5 2008 3:46 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> On Apr 5 2008 12:11 PM, arlo payne wrote: > On Apr 5 2008 8:42 AM,
MrBookworm
> wrote: > > > > Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a
> rock, you > > > should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on
the
> > > > expectation that they will receive tips. > > > > I do not equate
waiters
> and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I eat > > out, close to 20%. >
> >
> > > If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to
be >
> > > one too. > > > > I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I
only
> explained why I > > don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think
you're
> getting any > > value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the
table
> my point > > is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay
> dealers a > > decent wage. > > > > Dean > > > Most semi full time players
> dont understand they toke away a new car every year. > Many toke off way more
> than they make during the year. > If you are playing for a living paying
> attention to what you toke off is very > important.  If dealers dont
understand
> how it works then they are fools. > The full time players keep the games
alive
> allowing the dealers to work and make > tokes.  If is a win win give give
plan. 
> No dealer should be upset at a full > time players that tokes very little.
My
> god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just stop. A
> fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.

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On Apr 6 2008 12:25 PM, Russ Georgiev wrote:

> So not tipping makes you a bad person. Well, I can give you a few stories on
> this. About 8-10 years ago, I was playing in Europe and signed up for the
> Baden-Baden Tournament in Germany. I play cash games and the buyin was 5000
> German Marks (same as $3,000 US). I always sat with 50,000 in Marks, while the
> others had much less.
>
> Though it was a time game, though you had to pay to eneter the casino, they
> still had a mandatory 2% tip on every pot. Now I'm very aggressive and the
> game
> was PLH. I was in pot after pot of 10,000 marks or more with the players.
>
> I'd win some, lose some. Many pots I only tipped about 1%, about 60 Marks or
> $36
> dollars. Yes, the player were bad. The tournament was to run for a week and
> they
> only had one big game. After three days, I was EVEN, though I had tipped in
> excess of 10,000 Marks ($6,000 US). On my fourth day, they didn't find my name
> on the list:), becauuse I only tipped 1% many of the pots.
>
> This is basic in Europe excpect when Big Tournaments are running. Even in
> Austria, you have to pay 100 Euro to enter the casino to watch while a
> tournament is going. But, you get a buffet.
>
>
> Here's a story of a BIG SHOT TIPPER that was taught a lesson. I went and
> played
> at Garden City in the Bay Area about thirty years ago. I met a chip girl there
> and asked her out. She told me to see her the next week as she was breaking up
> with her boyfriend and moving.
>
> The next week I came up and met her at her new place. She had to work that
> night
> and I went to play. I had bought her a nice present (expensive). Now she was a
> chip girl and food server and VERY CUTE. I ordered and when I went to pay, I
> tipped her about $5.00 on about a $20 bill. Now, out comes a big mouth,
> thinking
> he'd embarrass me. He'd never seen me before and had no idea I had just moved
> in
> with this girl, who he apparenetly had asked out nmerous times.
>
> Out of hs mouth comes, Is that all a high roller like you can tip a beautiful
> girl like that"? I then told him, whaever you tip her, I'll tip 5 times as
> much.
> Now the 'BIG SHOT' came with $1,000 and laughed. I when into my pocket and out
> came $5,000.
>
> Later, when we got home, we both made $500. I love 'big shots' with big
> mouths.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.russgeorgiev.com
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.europokerschool.com
> www.worldclasscheating.com
> www.stud8strategy.com
> www.potlimitomahavideo.com
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 5 2008 8:14 AM, TimSully wrote:
>
> > On Apr 4, 1:57=A0pm, Lute wrote:
> > > I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong. =A0I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> > > staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. =A0But when it comes to
> > > tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> > > when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
> > >
> > > Tipping poker dealers is a really bad deal, once you start adding up
> > > the cost. =A0Let's say you tip about five percent of each pot you win.
> > > That's an enormous price, considering that your cost of winning that
> > > one pot is the dollar amount of lost bets (including blinds) that you
> > > make prior to winning that pot.
> > >
> > > One of the reasons I play mostly online nowadays is that the cost of
> > > tipping is eliminated altogether. =A0(Also, the rake is about half of a
> > > b&m game.) =A0That's a significant increase in profit.
> > >
> > > I have the utmost regard for those poker dealers who are really good,
> > > who keep control of the table, and who make the experience more
> > > pleasant. =A0I never stiff these guys and gals, even when I am behind.
> > > They should get paid more.
> > >
> > > But most dealers are not that good. =A0My main complaint is about
> > > dealers that allow players (not in the hand) to get away with talking
> > > about a hand during play that may harm an active player. =A0But plenty
> > > of dealers are just mediocre, and do not earn their $30 plus/hour
> > > tips.
> > >
> > > In the end, the decision is financial. =A0I'll pay value for value
> > > received. =A0But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> > > am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> > > over the long haul.
> > >
> > > Psychologically, it is difficult to withhold tips to which dealers
> > > feel entitled, but I'm overcoming that. =A0Call me greedy, but I think
> > > that the whole dealer-tipping thing is based on the invalid concept
> > > that a won poker pot is "free money" to the winner. =A0It's not. =A0When
> > > you add up the overhead and opportunity costs, there is a lot of
> > > investment involved in that end-of-month withdrawal from the poker
> > > account. =A0And of course, when you have a losing month, every dollar in
> > > tips only adds to the losses.
> >
> > It's your prerogative to tip or not, not tipping just makes you a bad
> > person, that's all. Nobody expects you to tip when you take down the
> > blinds, or even when you take down a $12 pot with a flop bet. If you
> > don't fire a buck to the dealer when you win a $230 pot, you're a
> > scumbag plain and simple.
>
>

Yep nothing like the 20-40 games in Europe with a flat 10% rake.
Many many times I have seen them take over $100 a hand.



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ty its a gift

On Apr 5 2008 12:04 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Apr 5 2008 2:12 AM, doggystyle wrote:
>
> > Shouldnt you micro-limit dickweed squeezes be studying for the test to move
> up
> > to french fry station ?
>
> Ok now that's pretty damn funny right there.
>
> ---
> Morphy
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