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Jarrod Millar

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:31 pm
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I already asked this once and no one responded. Maybe its a stupid
question or maybe no one does have memory tricks, but I have decided to
ask you since you seem to be one of the more intelligent and thoughtful
people in the game. I am still fairly new to the game but have been doing
pretty good at school in the few games I can find but this question
relates to the part of the game that I feel I need the work on.

I was wondering if anyone has any tricks to remember the play of hands, for
instance how much people raised with and with what? I have read a lot
about memory as of late (for instance people tend to remember things that
are more unusual then usual and other devices). I know developing this
ability is so paramount to increasing your
awareness of others peoples betting habits at the table. I have a decent
memory but was wondering if anybody has developed any simple techniques
for improving memory of play or if most people do it just by feel. For
instance I know this was one of Stu Ungars main strengths, but that is a
special case considering he had total recall and most people were not
gifted with that ability.

Thanks

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Gary Leddering

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:58 pm
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What the hell is it you're trying to remember?

Are you talking about remembering hand histories in B&M play? I would say
first off you need to start paying more attention to the game if you don't
remember anything about it after you leave. That's not a problem Howard
Lederer can help you with. My guess is that you don't understand the game
enough (or your own game) to know where your play may have been
questionable enough to revisit or rethink at a later point in time. As
your experience level increases so too will your abilities of
self-observation and reflection increase. No one that I've ever heard of
has any cute little mnemonics to remember who did what during a session.
Maybe you can think of cute little names for the people at the table based
on their appearance like "billy blue hat" or "marty the moustache man" or
"squinty eye Sam" and then you can give little codes that indicate their
style of play. A 1 means he'll open with a raise in early position with
nothing better than a medium pair. A 2 means he'll only call a pre-flop
bet with wired 10's or better. Then you can take it a step further add
little codse for betting. "b" for bet. "k" for check, "c" for call, "r"
for raise, etc. So then all you'll have to take home with you is Marty
the Moustache Man is a player of type "2" and his actions for the session
were "r/b/b/c", "c/c/b/bc", "c/c/c/c", "r/b/b/r". I use this method and
it seems to work very well for me.




On Sep 16 2003 3:45AM, Jarrod Millar wrote:

> I already asked this once and no one responded. Maybe its a stupid
> question or maybe no one does have memory tricks, but I have decided to
> ask you since you seem to be one of the more intelligent and thoughtful
> people in the game. I am still fairly new to the game but have been doing
> pretty good at school in the few games I can find but this question
> relates to the part of the game that I feel I need the work on.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any tricks to remember the play of hands, for
> instance how much people raised with and with what? I have read a lot
> about memory as of late (for instance people tend to remember things that
> are more unusual then usual and other devices). I know developing this
> ability is so paramount to increasing your
> awareness of others peoples betting habits at the table. I have a decent
> memory but was wondering if anybody has developed any simple techniques
> for improving memory of play or if most people do it just by feel. For
> instance I know this was one of Stu Ungars main strengths, but that is a
> special case considering he had total recall and most people were not
> gifted with that ability.
>
> Thanks

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lysdexic

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:58 pm
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I think he is talking about 7 card stud. Not HE
"Gary Leddering" <anonymous.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What the hell is it you're trying to remember?
>
> Are you talking about remembering hand histories in B&M play? I would say
> first off you need to start paying more attention to the game if you don't
> remember anything about it after you leave. That's not a problem Howard
> Lederer can help you with. My guess is that you don't understand the game
> enough (or your own game) to know where your play may have been
> questionable enough to revisit or rethink at a later point in time. As
> your experience level increases so too will your abilities of
> self-observation and reflection increase. No one that I've ever heard of
> has any cute little mnemonics to remember who did what during a session.
> Maybe you can think of cute little names for the people at the table based
> on their appearance like "billy blue hat" or "marty the moustache man" or
> "squinty eye Sam" and then you can give little codes that indicate their
> style of play. A 1 means he'll open with a raise in early position with
> nothing better than a medium pair. A 2 means he'll only call a pre-flop
> bet with wired 10's or better. Then you can take it a step further add
> little codse for betting. "b" for bet. "k" for check, "c" for call, "r"
> for raise, etc. So then all you'll have to take home with you is Marty
> the Moustache Man is a player of type "2" and his actions for the session
> were "r/b/b/c", "c/c/b/bc", "c/c/c/c", "r/b/b/r". I use this method and
> it seems to work very well for me.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16 2003 3:45AM, Jarrod Millar wrote:
>
> > I already asked this once and no one responded. Maybe its a stupid
> > question or maybe no one does have memory tricks, but I have decided to
> > ask you since you seem to be one of the more intelligent and thoughtful
> > people in the game. I am still fairly new to the game but have been
doing
> > pretty good at school in the few games I can find but this question
> > relates to the part of the game that I feel I need the work on.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any tricks to remember the play of hands,
for
> > instance how much people raised with and with what? I have read a lot
> > about memory as of late (for instance people tend to remember things
that
> > are more unusual then usual and other devices). I know developing this
> > ability is so paramount to increasing your
> > awareness of others peoples betting habits at the table. I have a
decent
> > memory but was wondering if anybody has developed any simple techniques
> > for improving memory of play or if most people do it just by feel. For
> > instance I know this was one of Stu Ungars main strengths, but that is a
> > special case considering he had total recall and most people were not
> > gifted with that ability.
> >
> > Thanks
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:33 pm
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"Howard Lederer" <anonymous RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in
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> There is only one trick for remembering hands clearly. Experience.
> The more you play, the easier it becomes to distill the important
> facts of a hand. Though I am taking in a lot of info when I play a
> hand, I am also filtering out quite a bit. Through experience, I know
> what things to ignore and what things to focus on. By recalling the
> important events of a hand, I will be able to reconstruct the entire
> hand, sometime years later.
>
> Howard Lederer
>
> On Sep 16 2003 3:45AM, Jarrod Millar wrote:
>
>> I already asked this once and no one responded. Maybe its a stupid
>> question or maybe no one does have memory tricks, but I have decided
>> to ask you since you seem to be one of the more intelligent and
>> thoughtful people in the game. I am still fairly new to the game but
>> have been doing pretty good at school in the few games I can find but
>> this question relates to the part of the game that I feel I need the
>> work on.
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has any tricks to remember the play of
>> hands, for instance how much people raised with and with what? I
>> have read a lot about memory as of late (for instance people tend to
>> remember things that are more unusual then usual and other devices).
>> I know developing this ability is so paramount to increasing your
>> awareness of others peoples betting habits at the table. I have a
>> decent memory but was wondering if anybody has developed any simple
>> techniques for improving memory of play or if most people do it just
>> by feel. For instance I know this was one of Stu Ungars main
>> strengths, but that is a special case considering he had total recall
>> and most people were not gifted with that ability.
>>
>> Thanks
>
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>

Howard--

I think this ability might have something to do with your chess
background, as opposed to your poker background, or the same things that
help you out in chess help you out here.

In Cleveland Heights, one of the locals was an International Master (as
well as a concert pianist--strange how these things clump together). I
wouldn't call myself a stupid guy, but when this guy and I would look at
the same chess board, we would see two very different things. It's even
more dramatic with Go players. All I see are little rocks on a board,
yet they can remember the games weeks later. I really think that certain
forms of pattern recognition lend themselves to certain games.

Scott
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:41 pm
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On Sep 16 2003 4:28PM, Howard Lederer wrote:

<Snip>
By recalling the important events of
a hand, I will be able to reconstruct the entire hand, sometime years
later.

Howard Lederer

...except that one damn hand from the WSOP that everybody has been
yammerin about Smile

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