Math skills important for winning poker?

Studley wrote:
> Sure its important but its far down the list as to
> what makes a winner. What good is you math skill
> if I read you that you have pocket aces? Or I read you that
> you have 27os. Don't matter whatyour freakin math skill is.
> Its reading the players that makes the difference between
> winners and the losers. If yoiu can't get this than you might
> as certain play scabble for money. all the math 'strategy' in
> the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker player.
>
>
> Studley

WRONG!

Playing hands with high probabilties of hitting that hand is numero uno
in becoming a winner in the long run.

Reads are not near as dependable as odds when determining how you will
end up over a long period of time.

So I get a good read on you having AA, but with the flop on the board,
I have an open-ended straight draw and flush draw. My read tells me
that you have me dominated for the moment, but my math tells me that if
I stay with you and play the hand out, I will win enough times in this
situation over the long run to come out ahead.

My hand (open-ended straight + flush draw) gives me 15 outs to complete
my hand. Over a long period of time I will hit one of my outs
approximately 57% of the time when I stay with this hand to the river
with two cards yet to be dealt.

I could read your aces or you could show me. It doesn't matter. The
math tells me that if I call your all in every time this situation
occurs, I will win 6 out of 10 hands and bust you.

Now as the old saying goes, "READ this", fish.

Winning poker isn't accomplished by consistently making correct reads,
as much as it is consistently getting the money in the pot when the
proper odds dictate that you do so.
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Perfectly Explained...


Edward wrote:
> Studley wrote:
> > Sure its important but its far down the list as to
> > what makes a winner. What good is you math skill
> > if I read you that you have pocket aces? Or I read you that
> > you have 27os. Don't matter whatyour freakin math skill is.
> > Its reading the players that makes the difference between
> > winners and the losers. If yoiu can't get this than you might
> > as certain play scabble for money. all the math 'strategy' in
> > the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker player.
> >
> >
> > Studley
>
> WRONG!
>
> Playing hands with high probabilties of hitting that hand is numero uno
> in becoming a winner in the long run.
>
> Reads are not near as dependable as odds when determining how you will
> end up over a long period of time.
>
> So I get a good read on you having AA, but with the flop on the board,
> I have an open-ended straight draw and flush draw. My read tells me
> that you have me dominated for the moment, but my math tells me that if
> I stay with you and play the hand out, I will win enough times in this
> situation over the long run to come out ahead.
>
> My hand (open-ended straight + flush draw) gives me 15 outs to complete
> my hand. Over a long period of time I will hit one of my outs
> approximately 57% of the time when I stay with this hand to the river
> with two cards yet to be dealt.
>
> I could read your aces or you could show me. It doesn't matter. The
> math tells me that if I call your all in every time this situation
> occurs, I will win 6 out of 10 hands and bust you.
>
> Now as the old saying goes, "READ this", fish.
>
> Winning poker isn't accomplished by consistently making correct reads,
> as much as it is consistently getting the money in the pot when the
> proper odds dictate that you do so.
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Online Scrabble for cold hard cash isn't that bad of an idea, i would play for
sure.

Shitchyeah!

Stuckabuck

On Jul 31 2006 12:36 PM, Studley wrote:

> Sure its important but its far down the list as to
> what makes a winner. What good is you math skill
> if I read you that you have pocket aces? Or I read you that
> you have 27os. Don't matter whatyour freakin math skill is.
> Its reading the players that makes the difference between
> winners and the losers. If yoiu can't get this than you might
> as certain play scabble for money. all the math 'strategy' in
> the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker player.
>
>
> Studley
>
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On Jul 31 2006 9:51 AM, Stuckabuck wrote:

> Online Scrabble for cold hard cash isn't that bad of an idea, i would play
for
> sure.

I know someone that I would back against you in a heads-up scrabble game.

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Some good points here, that's why I post so I'
can also learn from others. Thanks!


Studley


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Alot of good points, Thanks! That's why I enjoy this forum to
get good points of view. Even Ed made some very excellent
points even tho i disagree somewhat but it givens me some food
for thought. Thanks again!


Studley


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Not enough info...depends on the game.  Limit holdem math is probably most
important as saving a bet or two an hour can make you a longterm winner.  NL
Holdem math is probably far down the list of important skills.

On Jul 31 2006 11:36 AM, Studley wrote:

> Sure its important but its far down the list as to
> what makes a winner. What good is you math skill
> if I read you that you have pocket aces? Or I read you that
> you have 27os. Don't matter whatyour freakin math skill is.
> Its reading the players that makes the difference between
> winners and the losers. If yoiu can't get this than you might
> as certain play scabble for money. all the math 'strategy' in
> the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker player.
>
>
> Studley
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Studley, you seem to be confusing "an important skill" for "the
only important skill." It's pretty clear to me that math can be
a very important skill in poker, but math alone is insufficient.

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> Sure its important but its far down the list as to
> what makes a winner.

It's close to the top, probably right under Emotional Controll and Bankroll
Management.

> Its reading the players that makes the difference between
> winners and the losers. 

Math is involved in reading people.


> all the math 'strategy' in the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker
> player.

That is all the 'online bots' are based on. Everyone seems to be terrified of
them.

Bryan

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> > all the math 'strategy' in the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker
> > player.
>
> That is all the 'online bots' are based on. Everyone seems to be terrified of
> them.

One of the most solid "players" I ever saw was a program called Pokibot on
the old GPKr client for the usenet online poker that used to be around
before online cardrooms became the norm.

Used to regularly chop up some of the best players on RGP, and was nothing
more than math calculations. (I include Raymer, Andrew Prock, Dave Scharf,
Michael O'Malley, Gary Carson, Alan bostick and John Cervanyk among the
many "name" players that used to play there regularly).

Pokibot is the AI for Stacked and Poker academy, the link for the U of
Alberta group that is responsible is http://games.cs.ualberta.ca/poker/

Aodhan

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Math is used more in Limit for that one or two extra bets over time. When you
are playing with $1,000 or more dollars in front of you it becomes more
important.

NLTH math comes into play when you look at an opponents stack. On the simple
side, can this guy bust me or not.

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On Jul 31 2006 3:56 PM, Aodhan wrote:

> > > all the math 'strategy' in the world ain't gonna make you a winning poker
> > > player.
> >
> > That is all the 'online bots' are based on. Everyone seems to be terrified
> > of
> > them.
>
> One of the most solid "players" I ever saw was a program called Pokibot on
> the old GPKr client for the usenet online poker that used to be around
> before online cardrooms became the norm.
>
> Used to regularly chop up some of the best players on RGP, and was nothing
> more than math calculations. (I include Raymer, Andrew Prock, Dave Scharf,
> Michael O'Malley, Gary Carson, Alan bostick and John Cervanyk among the
> many "name" players that used to play there regularly).
>
> Pokibot is the AI for Stacked and Poker academy, the link for the U of
> Alberta group that is responsible is http://games.cs.ualberta.ca/poker/
>
> Aodhan



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