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Will in New Haven

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:37 pm
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They have been running this tournament for years. There was a hitch
after a few months when the guy who owns the bar had to find out how
to run a tourney legally and he followed all the rules and has run it
without a problem since.

Tonight a whole slew of cops came in after a couple of hands. They
didn't arrest anyone but we had to give our ID's and sit there while
they took the chips and the prize pool. The owner will have to go to
court.

The problem, as one of the cops told us, was that some underage kids
were playing. No one was serving them drinks, because they didn't
order any drinks, but they weren't supposed to be in a bar or playing
in a poker tournament. So all the elaborate care to follow the rules
that the state set and jump through the hoops that made the game legal
came to naught. This is the Tuesday night tourney within walking
distance of my place. I will miss it.

One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
have no outstanding warrants. That is good.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:22 pm
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I think the guy that owns the bar is at fault, assuming the reason for
the 'raid' was the fact that minors were present.

While laws differ greatly from state to state and even within an
individual state, I know of only one way a minor can legally be
present in a bar/tavern and that is if he/she is with his/her parent
and the parent is of legal drinking age. It makes no difference if
they had asked to be served, or whether they were or were not served.
A minor is a minor is a minor.

He is the operator and he is responsible. A question though, does he
have to go to court because of the poker game or because he allowed
minors in his establishment? That might give cause as to whether he
should "make good" on what the players had confiscated.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:29 pm
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On Jun 11, 12:22 am, Chet <chet4....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think the guy that owns the bar is at fault, assuming the reason for
> the 'raid' was the fact that minors were present.

I agree, to the extent that I am assigning blame. They had checked IDs
for years but they got lax.

>
> While laws differ greatly from state to state and even within an
> individual state, I know of only one way a minor can legally be
> present in a bar/tavern and that is if he/she is with his/her parent
> and the parent is of legal drinking age.

Actually, since the place is also a restaurant, there are minors who
work in the kitchen and dining area. An underage couple could come in
for a meal, sit in the dining room (where liquor IS served) and eat
without anyone taking action.

It makes no difference if
> they had asked to be served, or whether they were or were not served.
> A minor is a minor is a minor.
> He is the operator and he is responsible. A question though, does he
> have to go to court because of the poker game or because he allowed
> minors in his establishment? That might give cause as to whether he
> should "make good" on what the players had confiscated.

It's a mixed bag. If there had been no minors allowed, he could
probably have continued the poker game indefinitely but now he won't
be allowed to hold it again. When your living depends on having a
liquor licence you generally give in on these issues.

I don't care about forty bucks. Frankly, I thought the few, very few,
people who were pestering the guy about the entry fees were being
jerks.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:04 pm
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"Will in New Haven" <bill.reich RemoveThis @taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
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>
> One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
> have no outstanding warrants. That is good.

It's an odd position to be in when you know you might have outstanding
warrants, but you're not sure.

tvp
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:43 pm
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Did you think you might have? Do you have any speeding tickets and/or
parking citations from other states, including your own?

Most people are already assured. Maybe you are one and had your knowledge
validated.



On Jun 10 2008 6:37 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
> have no outstanding warrants. That is good.


RazzO
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:01 am
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"Will in New Haven" <bill.reich RemoveThis @taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
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> They have been running this tournament for years. There was a hitch
> after a few months when the guy who owns the bar had to find out how
> to run a tourney legally and he followed all the rules and has run it
> without a problem since.
>
> Tonight a whole slew of cops came in after a couple of hands. They
> didn't arrest anyone but we had to give our ID's and sit there while
> they took the chips and the prize pool. The owner will have to go to
> court.
>
> The problem, as one of the cops told us, was that some underage kids
> were playing. No one was serving them drinks, because they didn't
> order any drinks, but they weren't supposed to be in a bar or playing
> in a poker tournament. So all the elaborate care to follow the rules
> that the state set and jump through the hoops that made the game legal
> came to naught. This is the Tuesday night tourney within walking
> distance of my place. I will miss it.
>
> One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
> have no outstanding warrants. That is good.

You've got to go some to find a more pro-police guy than me. However, I've
been through this same kind of petty bull shit before. Cops drive past
three crack houses and a dozen street dealers to bust a small stakes poker
game or tournament. A waste of tax payer money and a sad case of misplaced
priorities.

Irish Mike
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:33 am
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"Irish Mike" <mjostar DeleteThis @ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> "Will in New Haven" <bill.reich DeleteThis @taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
> news:df00a3da-2147-4a40-9dde-d0adf4ac4d69@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> You've got to go some to find a more pro-police guy than me. However,
I've
> been through this same kind of petty bull shit before. Cops drive past
> three crack houses and a dozen street dealers to bust a small stakes poker
> game or tournament. A waste of tax payer money and a sad case of
misplaced
> priorities.

The ambush tactics also bug me. They know there's a law potentially going to
be broken, and rather than stop it, they plan and plot behind the scenes and
then rush in and disrupt everything, right down to confiscating the money of
people who haven't even done anything wrong.

Contratulations, you dishonest cops! Why not just go to the owner and say
you suspect problems and he needs to be more careful? That makes far more
sense in a world where cops are actually out to prevent crime.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:17 am
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On Jun 11, 1:04 am, "Tad Perry" <tadpe....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re....RemoveThis@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in messagenews:df00a3da-2147-4a40-9dde-d0adf4ac4d69@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
> > have no outstanding warrants. That is good.
>
> It's an odd position to be in when you know you might have outstanding
> warrants, but you're not sure.

Quite a few years ago a friend of mine who had not been involved in
anything questionable in a long time had a warrant come out of nowhere
from many years before when he was stopped for a traffic violation. It
didn't turn out to have any weight but it was upsetting. Any warrant
on me would have been of the same kind and unlikely to begin with. But
it was nice finding out there wasn't one.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:19 am
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On Jun 11, 5:33 am, "Tad Perry" <tadpe....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjos....RemoveThis@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Y_I3k.7427$uE5.5661@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
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>
>
> > "Will in New Haven" <bill.re....RemoveThis@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
> >news:df00a3da-2147-4a40-9dde-d0adf4ac4d69@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You've got to go some to find a more pro-police guy than me.  However,
> I've
> > been through this same kind of petty bull shit before.  Cops drive past
> > three crack houses and a dozen street dealers to bust a small stakes poker
> > game or tournament.  A waste of tax payer money and a sad case of
> misplaced
> > priorities.
>
> The ambush tactics also bug me. They know there's a law potentially going to
> be broken, and rather than stop it, they plan and plot behind the scenes and
> then rush in and disrupt everything, right down to confiscating the money of
> people who haven't even done anything wrong.
>
> Contratulations, you dishonest cops! Why not just go to the owner and say
> you suspect problems and he needs to be more careful? That makes far more
> sense in a world where cops are actually out to prevent crime.

They told the owner that some kid's mother complained several times.
They could have told him the first time and had him card people. They
evidently would rather have several police officers work the 'case'
for over an hour. I thought about mentioning the possible trouble when
I noticed that they were only carding people who ordered drinks but I
never got around to it.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:56 am
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> You've got to go some to find a more pro-police guy than me. However, I've
> been through this same kind of petty bull shit before. Cops drive past
> three crack houses and a dozen street dealers to bust a small stakes poker
> game or tournament. A waste of tax payer money and a sad case of misplaced
> priorities.
>
> Irish Mike

I agree with your last statement Mike, but your first statement is
incorrect. It is not a waste of taxpayer money because it costs little to
bust up a game like that and most of the people playing in the game will
actually be able to pay the fines and or court costs. Crack houses cost
alot to take down and you will never get a penny of the fees etc because
likely the people in the crack house will do the time rather than spend
money they could use on more coke.

This is just an assumption and a guess based off the little knowledge I
have of how the police system works. And I am pro police also. I know
some and respect the ones I know and have run into. Wheres Carson? I
cant wait to hear him give it to the police right up the ass with no
Vaseline.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:57 am
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> One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
> have no outstanding warrants. That is good.

Sounds like the bar owner didnt grease the wheel with a 100.00 or whatever
it might have taken. Cops (some) are almost like legalized Mafia. They
need their protection money if you are going to run a game.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:36 am
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On Jun 11, 9:56 am, "John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1....RemoveThis@Yahoo.Com>
wrote:
> > You've got to go some to find a more pro-police guy than me.  However, I've
> > been through this same kind of petty bull shit before.  Cops drive past
> > three crack houses and a dozen street dealers to bust a small stakes poker
> > game or tournament.  A waste of tax payer money and a sad case of misplaced
> > priorities.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> I agree with your last statement Mike, but your first statement is
> incorrect.  It is not a waste of taxpayer money because it costs little to
> bust up a game like that and most of the people playing in the game will
> actually be able to pay the fines and or court costs.

No one was arrested, no one but the bar owner will have to appear in
court. Practically the entire on-duty police force (I HOPE we aren't
paying more cops than that) and some guys from East Haven came to
harrass a forty-dollar poker tournament.


 Crack houses cost
> alot to take down and you will never get a penny of the fees etc because
> likely the people in the crack house will do the time rather than spend
> money they could use on more coke.

Mike's idea that they should have been pursuing the war on drugs
doesn't get much sympathy from me either. But not because busting a
crack house would be unprofitable.

>
> This is just an assumption and a guess based off the little knowledge I
> have of how the police system works.  And I am pro police also.  I know
> some and respect the ones I know and have run into.  Wheres Carson?  I
> cant wait to hear him give it to the police right up the ass with no
> Vaseline.

The officers on the scene were courteous and pleasant and I have no
complaints on their behavior. However, the public good was in no way
advanced.

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> John
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:47 pm
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"Will in New Haven" <bill.reich.TakeThisOut@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 11, 1:04 am, "Tad Perry" <tadpe....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re....TakeThisOut@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in
> messagenews:df00a3da-2147-4a40-9dde-d0adf4ac4d69@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > One bright spot: They checked our IDs for warrants and now I know I
> > have no outstanding warrants. That is good.
>
> It's an odd position to be in when you know you might have outstanding
> warrants, but you're not sure.

Quite a few years ago a friend of mine who had not been involved in
anything questionable in a long time had a warrant come out of nowhere
from many years before when he was stopped for a traffic violation. It
didn't turn out to have any weight but it was upsetting. Any warrant
on me would have been of the same kind and unlikely to begin with. But
it was nice finding out there wasn't one.

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Just because they didnt find one doesnt mean that there isnt one. The
computer systems are still far from perfect.
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