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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:20 am
Post subject: All Skill, No Luck Poker (Con)Test
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Here's an idea to think about:
How about a poker contest that objectively measures poker skill, with
no elements of luck involved?
Have a group of poker experts compose a test, like the one you take in
school. The test could involve odds calculations, and "scenario"
decision matrices where poker pros could choose the best course of
action to take.
Score the test, high score wins.
If the test were multiple choice, then of course there is some luck.
Also, if some of the questions involved subjective elements, such as
assessing an opponent's tendencies, then there would be some luck.
But anyone who has ever relied on "luck" to pass a college final exam
(or the SAT), knows that in the end, luck is very unlucky.
Anyway, has this idea (in some form) ever been considered? |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:23 am
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On Dec 26, 9:20 am, Lute <lutelat... RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
> Here's an idea to think about:
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> How about a poker contest that objectively measures poker skill, with
> no elements of luck involved?
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Very hard to do ... Say you're getting 3-1 on your money with 2-1 odds
of winning ... Obviously you take it ... except I'm sure every expert
could give different scenarios where the right play is NOT to take
it ...
Is the poker skill measuring your recognizing it is the correct call
statistically or recognizing the times when not making "the correct
call" is actually the correct call ... ?? |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:18 am
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:21 pm
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On Dec 26 2007 6:20 AM, Lute wrote:
> Here's an idea to think about:
>
> How about a poker contest that objectively measures poker skill, with
> no elements of luck involved?
>
> Have a group of poker experts compose a test, like the one you take in
> school. The test could involve odds calculations, and "scenario"
> decision matrices where poker pros could choose the best course of
> action to take.
>
> Score the test, high score wins.
>
> If the test were multiple choice, then of course there is some luck.
> Also, if some of the questions involved subjective elements, such as
> assessing an opponent's tendencies, then there would be some luck.
>
> But anyone who has ever relied on "luck" to pass a college final exam
> (or the SAT), knows that in the end, luck is very unlucky.
>
> Anyway, has this idea (in some form) ever been considered?
Horrible idea!!Terrible players like Dave Sklansky or Phil Gordon would win
everytime!!!
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:24 am
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On Dec 26 2007 12:18 PM, MrBookworm wrote:
> > How about a poker contest that objectively measures poker skill, with
> > no elements of luck involved?
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> We already have that, it's called your bankroll and the long run.
>
What is this "long run", after all? Does going broke really indicate a lack of
poker skill? How many great poker players never went broke?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:24 am
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> What is this "long run", after all?
Long enough for the math to work out... I don't know, 5 years?
>Does going broke really indicate a lack of
> poker skill?
Yes...
>How many great poker players never went broke?
If it was from playing poker, then they weren't great poker players at the
time. Playing great poker includes bankroll management.
That's not to say you couldn't be a great poker player and still donk off
your 'roll betting sports or doing drugs. However, in any gambling game
the skill level is determined by your winnings. It doesn't get any cleaner
than that.
Dean
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