Tournament question from a novice

On Dec 24, 1:16 am, "DaVoice" <davoice....RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> "Dynamicduo" <adf5....RemoveThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> >I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament topic:
> > Is there a rule about "one chip".
>
> > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
> > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
>
> > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have been
> > told in some tournaments this exists.
>
> > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> If you announce a CALL then you will only have $2k at risk, however if you
> just toss the $5K chip out there without saying call, it will be considered
> a raise. You cannot be forced to raise because you only have one
> denomination of chip in front of you. The best thing to do EVERY time you
> act in a tournament or a live game is ANNOUNCE your intention, then there is
> never a question, also make sure the dealer hears you announce your
> intention.
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles


However, the rule in MOST venues would be that the oversize chip, with
no announcement, would be a CALL. Even if you wanted to raise. On the
other hand, you are quite correct that the best thing to do would be
to state your intention. Then, as you say, there is never a
question.

I think that the original poster has some friends who wildly
misinterpret the one-chip rule.

Will in New Haven

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On Dec 24, 1:16 am, "DaVoice" <davoice....RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> "Dynamicduo" <adf5....RemoveThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
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>
> >I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament topic:
> > Is there a rule about "one chip".
>
> > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
> > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
>
> > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have been
> > told in some tournaments this exists.
>
> > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> If you announce a CALL then you will only have $2k at risk, however if you
> just toss the $5K chip out there without saying call, it will be considered
> a raise.

Are you sure?

Where I've played, tossing an oversized chip into the pot is a call.


> You cannot be forced to raise because you only have one
> denomination of chip in front of you. The best thing to do EVERY time you
> act in a tournament or a live game is ANNOUNCE your intention, then there is
> never a question, also make sure the dealer hears you announce your
> intention.
>

Announcing what you want to do is always the best way to go.
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Thank you for the information...........I appreciate it.


On Dec 24 2007 1:22 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Dec 24, 1:16 am, "DaVoice" <davoice....RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> > "Dynamicduo" <adf5....RemoveThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >
> > news:qjt345xrta.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >
> > >I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament topic:
> > > Is there a rule about "one chip".
> >
> > > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
> > > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
> >
> > > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have
been
> > > told in some tournaments this exists.
> >
> > > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> > > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
> >
> > > Thank you.
> >
> > If you announce a CALL then you will only have $2k at risk, however if you
> > just toss the $5K chip out there without saying call, it will be considered
> > a raise. You cannot be forced to raise because you only have one
> > denomination of chip in front of you. The best thing to do EVERY time you
> > act in a tournament or a live game is ANNOUNCE your intention, then there
is
> > never a question, also make sure the dealer hears you announce your
> > intention.
> >
> > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
>
> However, the rule in MOST venues would be that the oversize chip, with
> no announcement, would be a CALL. Even if you wanted to raise. On the
> other hand, you are quite correct that the best thing to do would be
> to state your intention. Then, as you say, there is never a
> question.
>
> I think that the original poster has some friends who wildly
> misinterpret the one-chip rule.
>
> Will in New Haven
>
> --
>
> We say goodby a lot this time of day.
>
> The sun is going down; the shadows grow too long.
>
> We knew the day would end but still,
>
> We say goodby too much this time of day.

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Wrong on the first part , right on the last half!!

On Dec 24 2007 12:16 AM, DaVoice wrote:

> "Dynamicduo" wrote in message
> news:qjt345xrta.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament topic:
> > Is there a rule about "one chip".
> >
> > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
> > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
> >
> > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have been
> > told in some tournaments this exists.
> >
> > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
> >
> > Thank you.
>
> If you announce a CALL then you will only have $2k at risk, however if you
> just toss the $5K chip out there without saying call, it will be considered
> a raise. You cannot be forced to raise because you only have one
> denomination of chip in front of you. The best thing to do EVERY time you
> act in a tournament or a live game is ANNOUNCE your intention, then there is
> never a question, also make sure the dealer hears you announce your
> intention.
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles



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In article <qjt345xrta.ln2.DeleteThis@recgroups.com>,
Dynamicduo <adf5400.DeleteThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
>call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?

You can use your 5K chip to call, and the dealer will give you
3K in change from the pot.

The "one-chip rule" is this-- if there is action in front
of you, and you throw out one oversized chip without saying
anything, that is a call. In your example, someone bet 2K
and you throw out your 5K chip, you are calling 2K. If you
intend to raise, then you must say raise or declare the amount
of the bet before the chip hits the table.

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One added point - The fact that you only had the 5K chip is
irrelevant. Even if you had 1K chips also, but silently threw in the
5K chip, it is still only a call.
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Dynamicduo wrote:
> I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament topic:
> Is there a rule about "one chip".
>
> For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
> call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
>
> This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have been
> told in some tournaments this exists.
>
> If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> please give me the rules and conditions of this.

A point the other replies missed: if you are the first to act (there is
no bet in front of you) and the minimum bet is $2K, just tossing out the
$5K chip could be considered a raise to $5K unless you say "call" first.
The safe thing is to always announce "call" or "raise" before putting
any chips out.


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"Joe Long"

> A point the other replies missed: if you are the first to act (there is
> no bet in front of you) and the minimum bet is $2K, just tossing out the
> $5K chip could be considered a raise to $5K unless you say "call" first.
> The safe thing is to always announce "call" or "raise" before putting any
> chips out.

If there is no action before you and the minimum bet is 2K ... if you throw
out the 5k chip IT IS a "bet" of 5k. I know of no place where it is (or can
be) a "call" of anything or a "raise" of anything. It is a bet.

If there is a 2k "bet" in front of you, throwing out the 5k chip is a "call"
unless you say otherwise.

The bigger problems come with the "one chip" rule when someone already has
blind money in front of them. We have discussed that before and it is not
part of the question here.
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da pickle wrote:
> "Joe Long"
>
>> A point the other replies missed: if you are the first to act (there is
>> no bet in front of you) and the minimum bet is $2K, just tossing out the
>> $5K chip could be considered a raise to $5K unless you say "call" first.
>> The safe thing is to always announce "call" or "raise" before putting any
>> chips out.
>
> If there is no action before you and the minimum bet is 2K ... if you throw
> out the 5k chip IT IS a "bet" of 5k. I know of no place where it is (or can
> be) a "call" of anything or a "raise" of anything. It is a bet.

Of course, as soon as I read my own post I saw that I mistakenly wrote
"raise to" for "bet of." If you are first to act and intend to bet $2K
with a $5K chip, announce "$2K" before tossing out the chip.


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"doggystyle" <43087134 RemoveThis @recpoker.com> wrote in message
news:1198486945$1086854@recpoker.com...
> Wrong on the first part , right on the last half!!

Actually, that's completely backwards.

Oversized Chip - The following sentence has been added to the oversized-chip
rule: To make a raise with a single oversized chip, a verbal declaration
must be made before the chip hits the table surface.
http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/16657

You're wrong, the voice is wrong.
It's scary that people don't pay attention to efforts to standardize rules.

If there's ANY action before you, it's a call UNLESS you say raise.

That includes simply blinds being posted.


>
> On Dec 24 2007 12:16 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>> "Dynamicduo" wrote in message
>> news:qjt345xrta.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> >I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament
>> >topic:
>> > Is there a rule about "one chip".
>> >
>> > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You
>> > cannot
>> > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
>> >
>> > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have
>> > been
>> > told in some tournaments this exists.
>> >
>> > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
>> > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>>
>> If you announce a CALL then you will only have $2k at risk, however if
>> you
>> just toss the $5K chip out there without saying call, it will be
>> considered
>> a raise. You cannot be forced to raise because you only have one
>> denomination of chip in front of you. The best thing to do EVERY time you
>> act in a tournament or a live game is ANNOUNCE your intention, then there
>> is
>> never a question, also make sure the dealer hears you announce your
>> intention.
>>
>> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
>
>
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You are 100% wrong ...TWICE

On Dec 25 2007 12:43 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:

> "doggystyle" <43087134.RemoveThis@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1198486945$1086854@recpoker.com...
> > Wrong on the first part , right on the last half!!
>
> Actually, that's completely backwards.
>
> Oversized Chip - The following sentence has been added to the oversized-chip
> rule: To make a raise with a single oversized chip, a verbal declaration
> must be made before the chip hits the table surface.
> http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/16657
>
> You're wrong, the voice is wrong.
> It's scary that people don't pay attention to efforts to standardize rules.
>
> If there's ANY action before you, it's a call UNLESS you say raise.
>
> That includes simply blinds being posted.
>
>
> >
> > On Dec 24 2007 12:16 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> >
> >> "Dynamicduo" wrote in message
> >> news:qjt345xrta.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> >I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament
> >> >topic:
> >> > Is there a rule about "one chip".
> >> >
> >> > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You
> >> > cannot
> >> > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
> >> >
> >> > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have
> >> > been
> >> > told in some tournaments this exists.
> >> >
> >> > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> >> > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you.
> >>
> >> If you announce a CALL then you will only have $2k at risk, however if
> >> you
> >> just toss the $5K chip out there without saying call, it will be
> >> considered
> >> a raise. You cannot be forced to raise because you only have one
> >> denomination of chip in front of you. The best thing to do EVERY time you
> >> act in a tournament or a live game is ANNOUNCE your intention, then there
> >> is
> >> never a question, also make sure the dealer hears you announce your
> >> intention.
> >>
> >> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
> >
> >
> >
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ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON THE FIRST PART

Especially "preflop" any over size chip, put in the pot , without declaring a
raise , is absolutely always just a call.

On Dec 24 2007 3:24 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> Dynamicduo wrote:
> > I have a question and would appreciate information on a tournament topic:
> > Is there a rule about "one chip".
> >
> > For instance if you only have a $5K chip left and bet is $2K. You cannot
> > call the bet but must be the one chip you have in front of you?
> >
> > This sounds ridiculous to me, but I have to ask the question. I have been
> > told in some tournaments this exists.
> >
> > If this is true or if there is something similar to this, can someone
> > please give me the rules and conditions of this.
>
> A point the other replies missed: if you are the first to act (there is
> no bet in front of you) and the minimum bet is $2K, just tossing out the
> $5K chip could be considered a raise to $5K unless you say "call" first.
> The safe thing is to always announce "call" or "raise" before putting
> any chips out.
>
>
> --
> Joe Long aka ChipRider
> Somewhere on the Range



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100% wrong !!

On Dec 24 2007 4:43 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "Joe Long"
>
> > A point the other replies missed: if you are the first to act (there is
> > no bet in front of you) and the minimum bet is $2K, just tossing out the
> > $5K chip could be considered a raise to $5K unless you say "call" first.
> > The safe thing is to always announce "call" or "raise" before putting any
> > chips out.
>
> If there is no action before you and the minimum bet is 2K ... if you throw
> out the 5k chip IT IS a "bet" of 5k. I know of no place where it is (or can
> be) a "call" of anything or a "raise" of anything. It is a bet.
>
> If there is a 2k "bet" in front of you, throwing out the 5k chip is a "call"
> unless you say otherwise.
>
> The bigger problems come with the "one chip" rule when someone already has
> blind money in front of them. We have discussed that before and it is not
> part of the question here.



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