Tournament question from a novice

"doggystyle"

>> If there is no action before you and the minimum bet is 2K ... if you
>> throw
>> out the 5k chip IT IS a "bet" of 5k. I know of no place where it is (or
>> can
>> be) a "call" of anything or a "raise" of anything. It is a bet.
>>
>> If there is a 2k "bet" in front of you, throwing out the 5k chip is a
>> "call"
>> unless you say otherwise.
>>
>> The bigger problems come with the "one chip" rule when someone already
>> has
>> blind money in front of them. We have discussed that before and it is not
>> part of the question here.
>
> 100% wrong

Your peculiar style makes it difficult to know exactly to what you are
responding, so I reformatted your reply.

I am 100% correct in what I said. I will say it again for you.

If the blinds are 1000/2000 and you are under the gun with a 5k chip and you
toss your chip into the pot without comment, you are "calling" 2k and if
there is no further action, the dealer will return three 1k chips to you.

If the small blind tosses a 5k chip on top of the 1k chip without comment,
there have been problems with the interpretation. It is my opinion that the
majority of ruling would be that the single chip is a call, unless the
player says "raise." This is a situation not previously anticipated in this
thread and it is the most troublesome. (Many times, the small blind player
will reach out and pull in the single 1k chip and substitute the single 5k
chip. This happens all the time. It is somewhat irritating, but it
sometimes speeds up the game. Often players will "make change" themselves.
This is all irritating, but it is not going to change in the future.)

Same situation, the only action before the flop is the completion of the
small blind and an option check from the big blind. Three players. Flop
comes down. Player one and two check and player three (formerly under the
gun) throws in a single 5k chip. This is a "bet" of 5k unless the player
voices a different amount.

Same situation, the flop comes down. Player one "bets" two 1k chips for a
minimum 2k bet. Player two folds and player three throws out a single 5k
chip without further comment. This is a "call" of the 2k bet. The dealer
will refund player three 3-1k chips. (Player three will have to voice
"raise" if he wants to raise with "one chip."

(There are other situations with regard to the one chip rule, but these are
the most common. Problems with the blinds are usually where most of the
difficulties arise.)

you couldnt be more wrong about the bet or call business. The big blind is a BET
, the rest of the actions , are anything but a bet.

If you were correct , then the UTG guy could check, he can not!! He must fold ,
raise or call, there is no bet option



On Dec 27 2007 8:09 AM, doggystyle wrote:

> 100% wrong !!
>
> On Dec 24 2007 4:43 PM, da pickle wrote:
>
> > "Joe Long"
> >
> > > A point the other replies missed: if you are the first to act (there is
> > > no bet in front of you) and the minimum bet is $2K, just tossing out the
> > > $5K chip could be considered a raise to $5K unless you say "call" first.
> > > The safe thing is to always announce "call" or "raise" before putting any
> > > chips out.
> >
> > If there is no action before you and the minimum bet is 2K ... if you throw
> > out the 5k chip IT IS a "bet" of 5k. I know of no place where it is (or can
> > be) a "call" of anything or a "raise" of anything. It is a bet.
> >
> > If there is a 2k "bet" in front of you, throwing out the 5k chip is a "call"
> >
> > unless you say otherwise.
> >
> > The bigger problems come with the "one chip" rule when someone already has
> > blind money in front of them. We have discussed that before and it is not
> > part of the question here.
>
>



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