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Irish Mike

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 pm
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The following are the big losers when the anti-online poker ban goes into
effect;

1) The small internet sites that do not have a large non-US player base.
These guys will not survive and will either go under or be acquired by
larger online sites. This will accelerate the shake-out and consolidation
of the online poker industry.

2) The big internet sites like Party Poker will survive but about half of
their current revenue comes from US based players. They will have to
streamline their operation, acquire some of the smaller sites and re-focus
their marketing efforts. Party just canceled their current quarterly stock
dividend which will give them an additional $115M for acquisitions.

3) Affiliates with a U.S. player base. These guys are probably finished,
which should at least reduce the spam level on RGP a little.

4) Poker magazines other than CardPlayer. Most of these will probably go
under from the loss of advertising revenue from online sites and the general
reduction in the number of poker players who will lose interest once they
can't play online.

5) Card Player will certainly survive but take a big hit when they lose ad
revenue from the online sites.

6) Miscellaneous small sideline businesses, writers and web sites that
derived most of their revenue from online poker sites and online poker
players. Some will adapt and survive but most will go under with barely a
ripple.

7) Poker players who made the majority of their income from playing online
and those that have no B&M alternatives available. Also, all of the poker
players who have access to B&M rooms but played tournaments online or
supplemented their B&M income with online play.

Cool The major poker tournaments that got a substantial number of their
entrants from online poker sites. In the 2006 WSOP main event, probably
half of the 8,800 players either won their seat online or entered with money
they had won playing online.

9) The poker pros with lucrative online endorsements. Some of the big names
will no doubt still prosper because of their international status. However,
those poker players who are less famous will probably lose out. Any way you
slice it, this legislation is bad news for the poker industry and
professional poker players.

10) All of the people who would have benefited from the jobs and tax dollars
that could have been generated if the US politicians had decided to regulate
and tax online poker in the U.S., instead of killing it.

Who will the ban help:

1) Well, logic would say that there have to be some online players who will
now move to B&M poker rooms. The same is true for those who run private,
semi-private and "charity" fund raiser games.

2) Poker players, both professional and amateur, who are not based in the
U.S. The big online sites are going to be competing fiercely for their
business. There should also be a lot more endorsement opportunities for non
U.S. based professionals.

2) Who ever is smart enough to step in and offer former online poker players
some alternative to spend their time and money. I don't have a clue what
this might be but you can bet some one is working on it as you read this.

3) Some of the players who were losing their asses playing online - until
they discover a new way to lose their money.

4) All the politicians who will, or at least think they will, benefit from
having killed this multi-million dollar industry.


Doubtless there are many that can be added to either list.

Irish Mike

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 pm
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>) All the politicians who will, or at least think they will, benefit from
> having killed this multi-million dollar industry.
>
>
> Doubtless there are many that can be added to either list.
>
> Irish Mike

That's a good, well thought-out post, Mike. I agree this might come
back to bite the politicians on the ass. I think they've completely
underestimated the number of us who enjoy online gambling, whether it
be poker or sports. Not to mention the fact that they could have taxed
and regulated a 12 billion dollar industry.

I know you don't play poker online, but I do think this will be the
end of the poker "boom" as we know it.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 pm
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Elroy wrote:
>
> What they did do was PERFECTLY estimate the level of opposition. It just
> wasn't loud enough or strong enough in terms of numbers.


>>>I think they have no clue as to what they just did. They rammed a partisan amendment onto another bill that had no chance of losing.

Blocking ISP access? They just turned this country into communist
China, and they're going to pay for it.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 pm
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> Who will the ban help:
<snip>

Good post, not much has been said on who actually benefits. For the
conspiracy theorists maybe its the big B&M's. Grease the right wheels
and get online gambling banned. Set the wheels in motion to really
disrupt the industry sending everyone into chaos. "Fight" to have the
industry legalized and regulated. I use fight more as "grease the
wheels some more".
Government legalizes and regulates industry "wink wink".

Welcome to Harrah's\Bellagio\Foxwoods Online etc etc. Your partners in
defending your rights to play poker online.

Profit.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 pm
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On Oct 3 2006 6:25 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> 1) Well, logic would say that there have to be some online players who will
> now move to B&M poker rooms. The same is true for those who run private,
> semi-private and "charity" fund raiser games.

This will be temporary. More 'good' online players means b&m games will
get tougher. Add that to dwindling interest from casual players and these
games will probably turn bad pretty quickly.

> 2) Poker players, both professional and amateur, who are not based in the
> U.S. The big online sites are going to be competing fiercely for their
> business.

This won't offset their loss of income from the american fishies.


I think colleges will benefit from this. There are a bunch of 17-23 year
olds that will now be looking to go back to school. Student loan
companies may benefit as well since some people used poker income to cover
tuition expenses

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:57 pm
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"CheckRazor" <Luv2skibumps_222 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>) All the politicians who will, or at least think they will, benefit from
>> having killed this multi-million dollar industry.
>>
>>
>> Doubtless there are many that can be added to either list.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> That's a good, well thought-out post, Mike. I agree this might come
> back to bite the politicians on the ass. I think they've completely
> underestimated the number of us who enjoy online gambling, whether it
> be poker or sports.

What they did do was PERFECTLY estimate the level of opposition. It just
wasn't loud enough or strong enough in terms of numbers.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:09 am
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now THAT is SCARY

On Oct 3 2006 5:07 PM, CheckRazor wrote:

> Elroy wrote:
> >
> > What they did do was PERFECTLY estimate the level of opposition. It just
> > wasn't loud enough or strong enough in terms of numbers.
>
>
> >>>I think they have no clue as to what they just did. They rammed a partisan
> >>>amendment onto another bill that had no chance of losing.
>
> Blocking ISP access? They just turned this country into communist
> China, and they're going to pay for it.



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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:00 am
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Bill Frist is still considering running for president.  With this bill he did
not get many votes in his favor, but he certainly got huge numbers of people
that will NOT vote for him.  If fhe decides to run, I wouldnt be surprised if
there are ads on tv against him paid for professional poker players. Hell, if
there is a fund used to defeat the principal players of this bill, I will be
happy to contribute and I am flat broke!

Touron

On Oct 3 2006 8:09 PM, chan0011 wrote:

> now THAT is SCARY
>
> On Oct 3 2006 5:07 PM, CheckRazor wrote:
>
> > Elroy wrote:
> > >
> > > What they did do was PERFECTLY estimate the level of opposition. It just
> > > wasn't loud enough or strong enough in terms of numbers.
> >
> >
> > >>>I think they have no clue as to what they just did. They rammed a
> > >>>partisan
> > >>>amendment onto another bill that had no chance of losing.
> >
> > Blocking ISP access? They just turned this country into communist
> > China, and they're going to pay for it.
>
>



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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:06 am
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"ChrisBrown" <a166e.RemoveThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> I think colleges will benefit from this. There are a bunch of 17-23 year
> olds that will now be looking to go back to school. Student loan
> companies may benefit as well since some people used poker income to cover
> tuition expenses

I hate to bust your theory, but contrary to what they are spoon feeding you
on PocketFives, most college kids are losers at the online tables. They're
mostly fucking fanboys.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:06 am
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On Oct 3 2006 8:06 PM, Elroy wrote:

> "ChrisBrown" <a166e RemoveThis @webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > I think colleges will benefit from this. There are a bunch of 17-23 year
> > olds that will now be looking to go back to school. Student loan
> > companies may benefit as well since some people used poker income to cover
> > tuition expenses
>
> I hate to bust your theory, but contrary to what they are spoon feeding you
> on PocketFives, most college kids are losers at the online tables. They're
> mostly fucking fanboys.

Winners and losers were lightening their courseload because of the time
spent playing online.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:29 am
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mine is "six"            and you're next ?............truly MY favorite game.
Twenty questions.....cuz you don't realize you're fricked until the 18th one.

On Oct 3 2006 6:06 PM, Elroy wrote:

> "ChrisBrown" wrote in message
> > I think colleges will benefit from this. There are a bunch of 17-23 year
> > olds that will now be looking to go back to school. Student loan
> > companies may benefit as well since some people used poker income to cover
> > tuition expenses
>
> I hate to bust your theory, but contrary to what they are spoon feeding you
> on PocketFives, most college kids are losers at the online tables. They're
> mostly fucking fanboys.



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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:30 am
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm or is that golf "Tiger"???????

On Oct 3 2006 7:29 PM, chan0011 wrote:

> mine is "six"            and you're next ?............truly MY favorite game.
> Twenty questions.....cuz you don't realize you're fricked until the 18th one.
>
> On Oct 3 2006 6:06 PM, Elroy wrote:
>
> > "ChrisBrown" wrote in message
> > > I think colleges will benefit from this. There are a bunch of 17-23 year
> > > olds that will now be looking to go back to school. Student loan
> > > companies may benefit as well since some people used poker income to cover
> > > tuition expenses
> >
> > I hate to bust your theory, but contrary to what they are spoon feeding you
> > on PocketFives, most college kids are losers at the online tables. They're
> > mostly fucking fanboys.
>
>



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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:54 am
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Wink out

On Oct 3 2006 7:46 PM, ChrisBrown wrote:

> On Oct 3 2006 8:06 PM, Elroy wrote:
>
> > "ChrisBrown" wrote in message
> > > I think colleges will benefit from this. There are a bunch of 17-23 year
> > > olds that will now be looking to go back to school. Student loan
> > > companies may benefit as well since some people used poker income to cover
> > > tuition expenses
> >
> > I hate to bust your theory, but contrary to what they are spoon feeding you
> > on PocketFives, most college kids are losers at the online tables. They're
> > mostly fucking fanboys.
>
> Winners and losers were lightening their courseload because of the time
> spent playing online.



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