Getting aces late in a turbo tournament

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:26:36 -0000, "Andyfothershops" <a.RemoveThis@dfr.co.uk> wrote:

>I have been doing OK in turbo tourneys recently having cashed in the last 3
> out of 5. I also came in the payout in a freeroll where the top 50 got a
>ticket to a tourney with a package to a brazil live tournamament up for
>grabs.

> If you play these you are probably aware that by the time the blinds are up
> at the 500/1000 level or higher there aren't many people sat with more than
> 10 bbs at any table. You rarely get more than 3 seeing a flop at this
> point and often everyone folds to the blinds. Sometimes even SB folds esp.
> near the bubble.

> I have a few times got pocket aces at this point and am loath to limp, but
> all I ever do is pick up the blinds if I even min raise.

So what else do you minraise besides aces? If nothing else, perhaps they
notice this tendency.

> It just goes against the grain to limp. Is it wise to try it occasionally,
> or even often?

"Occasionally" sounds good enough to me.

>Or should I just be happy to pick up the blinds?

The blinds are fine in most situations.

I'd be more likely to slowplay if the blinds don't make much
difference to my situation, but stacking someone would. Just
don't complain if they get cracked when you do.
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On Feb 4 2008 2:26 PM, Andyfothershops wrote:

> I have a few times got pocket aces at this point and am loath to limp, but
> all I ever do is pick up the blinds if I even min raise.
>
> It just goes against the grain to limp. Is it wise to try it occasionally,
> or even often?
>
> Or should I just be happy to pick up the blinds?

As with all of these questions, it depends.

However, most players in turbos in general and in satellites in general
don't understand the difference between pushing and calling. They tend to
just look at their cards and decide from there. So, most of the time it
doesn't matter if you raise or not, if they are going to get their stacks
in, it's going to be based on what they hold.

There are a few that might try jamming if you don't raise, but generally
the players that are smart enough to do this are going to smell a rat if
you do limp.

In other words, the hands that are going to jam are going to jam anyway
regardless of what you do. So, just raise it up and go from there.

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"Andyfothershops" <a.RemoveThis@dfr.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I have been doing OK in turbo tourneys recently having cashed in the last 3
> out of 5. I also came in the payout in a freeroll where the top 50 got a
> ticket to a tourney with a package to a brazil live tournamament up for
> grabs.
>
> If you play these you are probably aware that by the time the blinds are
> up
> at the 500/1000 level or higher there aren't many people sat with more
> than
> 10 bbs at any table. You rarely get more than 3 seeing a flop at this
> point and often everyone folds to the blinds. Sometimes even SB folds esp.
> near the bubble.
>
> I have a few times got pocket aces at this point and am loath to limp, but
> all I ever do is pick up the blinds if I even min raise.
>
> It just goes against the grain to limp. Is it wise to try it occasionally,
> or even often?
>
If a min raise will always pick up the blinds why does it matter what cards
you hold?

Palooka
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"Palooka" <nobody.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Andyfothershops" <a.RemoveThis@dfr.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:IpudnfQWVsZx6TraRVnyuAA@bt.com...
>>I have been doing OK in turbo tourneys recently having cashed in the last
>>3
>> out of 5. I also came in the payout in a freeroll where the top 50 got a
>> ticket to a tourney with a package to a brazil live tournamament up for
>> grabs.
>>
>> If you play these you are probably aware that by the time the blinds are
>> up
>> at the 500/1000 level or higher there aren't many people sat with more
>> than
>> 10 bbs at any table. You rarely get more than 3 seeing a flop at this
>> point and often everyone folds to the blinds. Sometimes even SB folds
>> esp.
>> near the bubble.
>>
>> I have a few times got pocket aces at this point and am loath to limp,
>> but
>> all I ever do is pick up the blinds if I even min raise.
>>
>> It just goes against the grain to limp. Is it wise to try it
>> occasionally,
>> or even often?
>>
> If a min raise will always pick up the blinds why does it matter what
> cards you hold?
>
> Palooka
>
Good point.

I do steal occasionally, but it's thoughts on limping with aces at this
stage that I'm after.

A
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"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc.RemoveThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Feb 4 2008 2:26 PM, Andyfothershops wrote:
>
>> I have been doing OK in turbo tourneys recently having cashed in the last
>> 3
>> out of 5. I also came in the payout in a freeroll where the top 50 got a
>> ticket to a tourney with a package to a brazil live tournamament up for
>> grabs.
>>
>> If you play these you are probably aware that by the time the blinds are
>> up
>> at the 500/1000 level or higher there aren't many people sat with more
>> than
>> 10 bbs at any table. You rarely get more than 3 seeing a flop at this
>> point and often everyone folds to the blinds. Sometimes even SB folds
>> esp.
>> near the bubble.
>>
>> I have a few times got pocket aces at this point and am loath to limp,
>> but
>> all I ever do is pick up the blinds if I even min raise.
>>
>> It just goes against the grain to limp. Is it wise to try it
>> occasionally,
>> or even often?
>>
>> Or should I just be happy to pick up the blinds?
>>
>> A
>
> With 10BB (aka M of 5) you should push. What the fuck is this limping and
> min-raising business?
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
Sorry , maybe I wasn't clear. I am not talking about me having less than
10BB, just many of the table. I want one or two of them to push.

A
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:01:55 -0000, "Andyfothershops" <a.DeleteThis@dfr.co.uk> wrote:

>Sorry , maybe I wasn't clear. I am not talking about me having less than
>10BB, just many of the table. I want one or two of them to push.

If you're more likely to get that by limping (and with me generally you are)
then it's worth doing. I routinely move in on limpers at that stage. However,
I don't if it's the only time I've seen that person limp. I generally mark
someone as a chump the first time I see them limp with the blinds that
high. The exception is if they've generally been aggressive up to this point.
In that case, I'll take a flop and try to crack their aces from the blinds.

Additionally, if the player in the blinds is likely to bust with anything he
hits after the flop, but not likely to play trash before the flop to a raise,
it may be worth it.

Moving in is rarely a mistake, though.

An additional note: if you are calculating stacks for the purposes of
whether or not to push, use the smaller of the two stacks, yours or your
opponent's. Effectively, you only have their stack to lose.
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"Andyfothershops" <a RemoveThis @dfr.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I have been doing OK in turbo tourneys recently having cashed in the last 3
> out of 5. I also came in the payout in a freeroll where the top 50 got a
> ticket to a tourney with a package to a brazil live tournamament up for
> grabs.
>
> If you play these you are probably aware that by the time the blinds are
> up
> at the 500/1000 level or higher there aren't many people sat with more
> than
> 10 bbs at any table. You rarely get more than 3 seeing a flop at this
> point and often everyone folds to the blinds. Sometimes even SB folds esp.
> near the bubble.
>
> I have a few times got pocket aces at this point and am loath to limp, but
> all I ever do is pick up the blinds if I even min raise.
>
> It just goes against the grain to limp. Is it wise to try it occasionally,
> or even often?
>
> Or should I just be happy to pick up the blinds?

Just fold em they will get busted anyway.
They just give you them to get rid of you before
you get a decent prize, which are reserved for staff, familly and friends.

>
> A
>
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