You are aware I have nut nut right?

Okay it was naughty of me, but when he bet the river right into me, I
thought it was fairly obvious to all what I had.
What surprises me about the game of Omaha 8 is how sometimes you have to
work really hard to disguise your hand just to win a few bucks (think
pokerstars) and sometimes you have to make no effort at all (think
partypoker)

I am thankful to Rzitup that he had just left this game as I sat down.

***** Hand History for Game 204594721 *****
0/0 OmahaHiLoGameTable (PL) - Tue Oct 14 18:52:17 EDT 2003
Table Cosa Nostra (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bpygon ( $96)
Seat 2: wrk914 ( $9
Seat 3: tazman3618 ( $116)
Seat 4: flynnmclean ( $100)
Seat 5: gmoney69er ( $107.80)
Seat 6: JamesVVVVVV ( $197.20)
Seat 7: RazorRan ( $0)
Seat 8: Ribbo ( $191)
Seat 9: johnnyrose ( $114.40)
Seat 10: lukesky ( $233.20)
johnnyrose posts small blind (1)
lukesky posts big blind (2)
flynnmclean posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ribbo [ 5c, Ac, 2s, 2h ]
bpygon calls (2)
wrk914 folds.
tazman3618 calls (2)
flynnmclean checks.
gmoney69er calls (2)
JamesVVVVVV raises (15) to 15
Ribbo calls (15)
johnnyrose folds.
lukesky folds.
bpygon calls (13)
tazman3618 calls (13)
flynnmclean folds.
gmoney69er calls (13)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, Qc, 3c ]
bpygon checks.
tazman3618 checks.
gmoney69er folds.
JamesVVVVVV checks.
Ribbo bets (15)
bpygon calls (15)
tazman3618 calls (15)
JamesVVVVVV calls (15)

Okay so I flopped the stone cold nuts, plus a nut low draw that I cant lose
on if it hits, my only decision is how much to bet on the flop. Well I want
them to call. I also know my hand is not vulnerable. $1/$2 blind tables have
some people with a clue, so I expect to see other A2 and of course the
preflop raiser with AA. There shouldn't be anyone with a set here unless
they have A2 also.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
bpygon checks.
tazman3618 bets (50)
JamesVVVVVV calls (50)
Ribbo raises (100) to 100
bpygon calls (66)
bpygon calls all-In.
tazman3618 calls (36)
tazman3618 calls all-In.
JamesVVVVVV calls (50)
Creating Main Pot with $401 with bpygon
Creating Side Pot 1 with $60 with tazman3618

I just cannot understand what has just happen here, I have the stone cold
nuts and people are getting their chips in before me. Guess I have no
decisions to make, raise and hope they put me on A2 no high.

** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
JamesVVVVVV bets (67.20)
JamesVVVVVV calls all-In.
Ribbo: you are aware i have nut nut right???
Ribbo calls (61)
Ribbo calls all-In.
Creating Side Pot 2 with $150 with Ribbo
Creating Side Pot 3 with $6.20 with JamesVVVVVV
** Summary **
Main Pot: $401 | Side Pot 1: $60 | Side Pot 2: $150 | Side Pot 3: $6.20 |
Rake: $3
Board: [ 4c Qc 3c 6s 5h ]
bpygon balance $66.90, bet $96, collected $66.90, lost -$29.10 [ 7c 2c As
4d ] [ LO: 5,4,3,2,A | HI: a flush, queen high -- Qc,7c,4c,3c,2c ]
wrk914 balance $98, didn't bet (folded)
tazman3618 balance $0, lost $116 [ Tc Jd Kc 9d ] [ a flush, king high with
king kicker -- Kc,Qc,Tc,4c,3c ]
flynnmclean balance $98, lost $2 (folded)
gmoney69er balance $92.80, lost $15 (folded)
JamesVVVVVV balance $125.50, bet $197.20, collected $125.50, lost -$71.70
[ Ah 2d Td Ad ] [ LO: 5,4,3,2,A | HI: a straight, ace to five --
Ah,5h,4c,3c,2d ]
RazorRan balance $100, sits out
Ribbo balance $424.80, bet $191, collected $424.80, net +$233.80 [ 5c Ac 2s
2h ] [ LO: 5,4,3,2,A | HI: a flush, ace high with ace kicker --
Ac,Qc,5c,4c,3c ]
johnnyrose balance $113.40, lost $1 (folded)
lukesky balance $231.20, lost $2 (folded)

I think the most import things to realise from this hand history is 1: The
button is worth a lot of money to you. You will win big pots and you will
dictate the betting. 2: People REALLY have to learn what a milking bet is.
Take the guy with AA2 on the flop. It's a horrible flop and considering the
callers preflop, he HAS to think the other A2s are out there, he is behind
on the flop and he is calling to get half if he is VERY lucky, a quarter
most likely, and if god really hates him a sixth, which is exactly what
happened.
Again Omaha is a flop game and no matter what you had preflop, if you miss
the flop, you gotta lay it down against the tricky players (ie me )

Maybe I don't understand Omaha correctly since I've never played it
but I don't know how you can know you have the "nuts" after the flop
without knowing what the others have in their hand. With the others
holding four cards each any four of a kind or straight flush beats
your current ace high club flush.

If it were hold'em it's easy to pick out the nuts but in omaha I don't
see how you can say you flopped the "stone cold nuts" when someone
holding four of a kind or a straight flush could have you drawing dead
on the turn and river.

What am I missing?

Remember, I'm new to poker so I may be missing a lot.

Ray Trautman

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:32:13 +0000 (UTC), "Graham Ribchester"
<ribmeister.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:

>Okay it was naughty of me, but when he bet the river right into me, I
>thought it was fairly obvious to all what I had.
>What surprises me about the game of Omaha 8 is how sometimes you have to
>work really hard to disguise your hand just to win a few bucks (think
>pokerstars) and sometimes you have to make no effort at all (think
>partypoker)
>
>I am thankful to Rzitup that he had just left this game as I sat down.
>
>***** Hand History for Game 204594721 *****
>0/0 OmahaHiLoGameTable (PL) - Tue Oct 14 18:52:17 EDT 2003
>Table Cosa Nostra (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
>Total number of players : 10
>Seat 1: bpygon ( $96)
>Seat 2: wrk914 ( $9
>Seat 3: tazman3618 ( $116)
>Seat 4: flynnmclean ( $100)
>Seat 5: gmoney69er ( $107.80)
>Seat 6: JamesVVVVVV ( $197.20)
>Seat 7: RazorRan ( $0)
>Seat 8: Ribbo ( $191)
>Seat 9: johnnyrose ( $114.40)
>Seat 10: lukesky ( $233.20)
>johnnyrose posts small blind (1)
>lukesky posts big blind (2)
>flynnmclean posts big blind (2)
>** Dealing down cards **
>Dealt to Ribbo [ 5c, Ac, 2s, 2h ]
>bpygon calls (2)
>wrk914 folds.
>tazman3618 calls (2)
>flynnmclean checks.
>gmoney69er calls (2)
>JamesVVVVVV raises (15) to 15
>Ribbo calls (15)
>johnnyrose folds.
>lukesky folds.
>bpygon calls (13)
>tazman3618 calls (13)
>flynnmclean folds.
>gmoney69er calls (13)
>** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, Qc, 3c ]
>bpygon checks.
>tazman3618 checks.
>gmoney69er folds.
>JamesVVVVVV checks.
>Ribbo bets (15)
>bpygon calls (15)
>tazman3618 calls (15)
>JamesVVVVVV calls (15)
>
>Okay so I flopped the stone cold nuts, plus a nut low draw that I cant lose
>on if it hits, my only decision is how much to bet on the flop. Well I want
>them to call. I also know my hand is not vulnerable. $1/$2 blind tables have
>some people with a clue, so I expect to see other A2 and of course the
>preflop raiser with AA. There shouldn't be anyone with a set here unless
>they have A2 also.
>
>** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
>bpygon checks.
>tazman3618 bets (50)
>JamesVVVVVV calls (50)
>Ribbo raises (100) to 100
>bpygon calls (66)
>bpygon calls all-In.
>tazman3618 calls (36)
>tazman3618 calls all-In.
>JamesVVVVVV calls (50)
>Creating Main Pot with $401 with bpygon
>Creating Side Pot 1 with $60 with tazman3618
>
>I just cannot understand what has just happen here, I have the stone cold
>nuts and people are getting their chips in before me. Guess I have no
>decisions to make, raise and hope they put me on A2 no high.
>
>** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
>JamesVVVVVV bets (67.20)
>JamesVVVVVV calls all-In.
>Ribbo: you are aware i have nut nut right???
>Ribbo calls (61)
>Ribbo calls all-In.
>Creating Side Pot 2 with $150 with Ribbo
>Creating Side Pot 3 with $6.20 with JamesVVVVVV
>** Summary **
>Main Pot: $401 | Side Pot 1: $60 | Side Pot 2: $150 | Side Pot 3: $6.20 |
>Rake: $3
>Board: [ 4c Qc 3c 6s 5h ]
>bpygon balance $66.90, bet $96, collected $66.90, lost -$29.10 [ 7c 2c As
>4d ] [ LO: 5,4,3,2,A | HI: a flush, queen high -- Qc,7c,4c,3c,2c ]
>wrk914 balance $98, didn't bet (folded)
>tazman3618 balance $0, lost $116 [ Tc Jd Kc 9d ] [ a flush, king high with
>king kicker -- Kc,Qc,Tc,4c,3c ]
>flynnmclean balance $98, lost $2 (folded)
>gmoney69er balance $92.80, lost $15 (folded)
>JamesVVVVVV balance $125.50, bet $197.20, collected $125.50, lost -$71.70
>[ Ah 2d Td Ad ] [ LO: 5,4,3,2,A | HI: a straight, ace to five --
>Ah,5h,4c,3c,2d ]
>RazorRan balance $100, sits out
>Ribbo balance $424.80, bet $191, collected $424.80, net +$233.80 [ 5c Ac 2s
>2h ] [ LO: 5,4,3,2,A | HI: a flush, ace high with ace kicker --
>Ac,Qc,5c,4c,3c ]
>johnnyrose balance $113.40, lost $1 (folded)
>lukesky balance $231.20, lost $2 (folded)
>
>I think the most import things to realise from this hand history is 1: The
>button is worth a lot of money to you. You will win big pots and you will
>dictate the betting. 2: People REALLY have to learn what a milking bet is.
>Take the guy with AA2 on the flop. It's a horrible flop and considering the
>callers preflop, he HAS to think the other A2s are out there, he is behind
>on the flop and he is calling to get half if he is VERY lucky, a quarter
>most likely, and if god really hates him a sixth, which is exactly what
>happened.
>Again Omaha is a flop game and no matter what you had preflop, if you miss
>the flop, you gotta lay it down against the tricky players (ie me )
>