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sniperwon

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Since: Nov 10, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:45 am
Post subject: Not a bad beat cry post just want help
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I have been getting my ass handed to me lately.  So much I am gunshy, second
guessing my reads, timid in pots I know are mine.  Its just been a relentless
last cpl of months with the miracle rivers. But this hand has nothing to do with
rivers.  Playing a  $20  single table SNG on UB. And Faulker1 was insanely
aggressive.  Just a donkey you love to have around. No idea were the fold button
is no idea how to  bet anything but pot. Doesnt care about position. Doesnt care
about  the board just  bets pot every chance he had. And played 8 out of 10
hands.  Has an enormous  chip lead going into heads up. 12,000  to my measly
3000 and constant pressure.  I widdle him down to 4000 and then  loose to the
floodgate of luck not on my side.  So i buddy list this guy incase he ever sits
down at a ring table I wanna be there.  Couple hours later sure enough he sits
at a NL table.  The only seat available is on his right.  Not ideal but for how
aggressive and oblivous this guy is I will take it. 

First hand I come in 3rd MP or Early late postion however you want to classify
me.  I have Jh10H and blind posted.  3 callers. Faulker1 just dbl taps it to $2
both Blinds call and the flop comes 5s 7h 8h. Everyone checks to me. I know
faulker1 is betting this and fairly confident he is betting pot.  I dont really
want to call pot but I dont want to call a pot bet with my defensive bet in
there either. So i check it to him to try and draw as cheap as possible if no1
check raises.  Theres 10 in the pot at this time. Faulker1 bets $4.  All fold to
the guy to my right who pops up to 8. Its less than I wanted to call but still I
just want to fold. I dont want to be in the middle of an unknown and an
aggressive donk capable of anything in a 2 way contested pot. But then I give
credit to the unknown for playing back at this guy based on his playing history
and figure I will make one call if I hit on the turn I scoop and more than
likely drag one of them with me. Faulker1 folds to the min bet. Turn 9h. I got
my str8 flush and dude bets into me all in. Not perfect book play but it worked.
So theres the background coming up to the hand in question.

I dont limp or even play another hand for 23 hands. And this is the hand.

My thought process here is I would love to isolate Faulker1 but I also dont want
to commit alot of chips preflop and get more than just Faulker1 calling and be
way out of position to face tough decision on the flop. So instead of popping
him right there with the other 3 in the hand. I decide to basically concede the
hand unless i hit on the flop.  Just call with Pocket 10s.

Conceading preflop my problem?????

When I hit the only flop that will make me contest here. Its a dangerous flop. I
dont want to see any 9,Jack, or 4 on the turn. I dont want to bet half pot cuz
anyone with those draws are calling. No flush to worry about yet but.... I dont
want to see a king on the turn. Do i bet, do I smooth call, check raise, or
fold. 

Betting= I dont like it cuz anyone with drawing hand is near this board and
theres only 8 in the pot and if they want to draw they calling 8. I suppose
betting out here is ok but I dont like it.

Call= I could already be beat by j9 so i need a paired board.  But calling gives
me no NFO on what they have and allows them to dictate the hand.  Check calling
here is probably the worst idea in my mind.

Fold- why not on the flop alone theres 12 cards you dont want to see it costed
me 2 bucks and this doesnt seem worth fighting for the 2 chips in the pot with
my name on it. But I got top set and I cant even bring myself to fold. 


CHeck raise- no1 else is going to bet more then $8 and faulker1 probably going
to do it. He aggressive enough for me to have faith in him. And when it comes
back around to me if I push all in for $48 he cant call on a draw.  This isnt a
tournament. So I figure Check raise all in is my best play here.


Am i right???? what did I miss?  what do you think I should of done?  I have no
read on any of the other players except they are tight. They played maybe 1 hand
in the 24 hands since I have sat down.   What did I do wrong??  Is this just
another case of being unlucky???



Hand #47295395-1642 at Skene (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 10/Nov/07 02:09:44
 
     Bo_Duke is at seat 0 with $98.50.
     67chev427 is at seat 1 with $32.60.
     PHIPSI104 is at seat 2 with $38.50.
     IM__ALL_IN is at seat 3 with $112.40.
     sniped1 is at seat 4 with $50.25.
     faulker1 is at seat 5 with $83.
     calisupra29 is at seat 6 with $83.05.
     Petski is at seat 7 with $109.75.
     jakecard is at seat 8 with $37.50.
     NateTheGreek is at seat 9 with $52.40.
     The button is at seat 2.
    
     IM__ALL_IN posts the small blind of $.50.
     sniped1 posts the big blind of $1.

     Bo_Duke:  -- --
     67chev427:  -- --
     PHIPSI104:  -- --
     IM__ALL_IN:  -- --
     sniped1:  Td Th
     faulker1:  -- --
     calisupra29:  -- --
     Petski:  -- --
     jakecard:  -- --
     NateTheGreek:  -- --

Pre-flop:
 
          faulker1 raises to $2.   calisupra29 calls.   Petski
          folds.   jakecard folds.   NateTheGreek folds. 
          Bo_Duke folds.   67chev427 calls.   PHIPSI104 folds. 
          IM__ALL_IN folds.   sniped1 calls.  

Flop (board: 7h Ts 8d):
 
          sniped1 checks.   faulker1 bets $8.50.   calisupra29
          calls.   67chev427 folds.   sniped1 goes all-in for
          $48.25.   faulker1 calls.   calisupra29 folds.  

Turn (board: 7h Ts 8d Jc):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

River (board: 7h Ts 8d Jc Qh):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

         

Showdown:
 
     sniped1 shows Td Th.
     sniped1 has Td Th Ts Jc Qh: three tens.
     faulker1 shows 2c 9c.
     faulker1 has 9c Ts 8d Jc Qh: straight, queen high.


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Not a bad beat cry post just want help [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Nov 10, 2:45 am, sniperwon <whispers8....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have been getting my ass handed to me lately. So much I am gunshy, second
> guessing my reads, timid in pots I know are mine. Its just been a relentless
> last cpl of months with the miracle rivers. But this hand has nothing to do with
> rivers. Playing a $20 single table SNG on UB. And Faulker1 was insanely
> aggressive. Just a donkey you love to have around. No idea were the fold button
> is no idea how to bet anything but pot. Doesnt care about position. Doesnt care
> about the board just bets pot every chance he had. And played 8 out of 10
> hands. Has an enormous chip lead going into heads up. 12,000 to my measly
> 3000 and constant pressure. I widdle him down to 4000 and then loose to the
> floodgate of luck not on my side. So i buddy list this guy incase he ever sits
> down at a ring table I wanna be there. Couple hours later sure enough he sits
> at a NL table. The only seat available is on his right. Not ideal but for how
> aggressive and oblivous this guy is I will take it.
>
> First hand I come in 3rd MP or Early late postion however you want to classify
> me. I have Jh10H and blind posted. 3 callers. Faulker1 just dbl taps it to $2
> both Blinds call and the flop comes 5s 7h 8h. Everyone checks to me. I know
> faulker1 is betting this and fairly confident he is betting pot. I dont really
> want to call pot but I dont want to call a pot bet with my defensive bet in
> there either. So i check it to him to try and draw as cheap as possible if no1
> check raises. Theres 10 in the pot at this time. Faulker1 bets $4. All fold to
> the guy to my right who pops up to 8. Its less than I wanted to call but still I
> just want to fold. I dont want to be in the middle of an unknown and an
> aggressive donk capable of anything in a 2 way contested pot. But then I give
> credit to the unknown for playing back at this guy based on his playing history
> and figure I will make one call if I hit on the turn I scoop and more than
> likely drag one of them with me. Faulker1 folds to the min bet. Turn 9h. I got
> my str8 flush and dude bets into me all in. Not perfect book play but it worked.
> So theres the background coming up to the hand in question.
>
> I dont limp or even play another hand for 23 hands. And this is the hand.
>
> My thought process here is I would love to isolate Faulker1 but I also dont want
> to commit alot of chips preflop and get more than just Faulker1 calling and be
> way out of position to face tough decision on the flop. So instead of popping
> him right there with the other 3 in the hand. I decide to basically concede the
> hand unless i hit on the flop. Just call with Pocket 10s.
>
> Conceading preflop my problem?????
>
> When I hit the only flop that will make me contest here. Its a dangerous flop. I
> dont want to see any 9,Jack, or 4 on the turn. I dont want to bet half pot cuz
> anyone with those draws are calling. No flush to worry about yet but.... I dont
> want to see a king on the turn. Do i bet, do I smooth call, check raise, or
> fold.
>
> Betting= I dont like it cuz anyone with drawing hand is near this board and
> theres only 8 in the pot and if they want to draw they calling 8. I suppose
> betting out here is ok but I dont like it.
>
> Call= I could already be beat by j9 so i need a paired board. But calling gives
> me no NFO on what they have and allows them to dictate the hand. Check calling
> here is probably the worst idea in my mind.
>
> Fold- why not on the flop alone theres 12 cards you dont want to see it costed
> me 2 bucks and this doesnt seem worth fighting for the 2 chips in the pot with
> my name on it. But I got top set and I cant even bring myself to fold.
>
> CHeck raise- no1 else is going to bet more then $8 and faulker1 probably going
> to do it. He aggressive enough for me to have faith in him. And when it comes
> back around to me if I push all in for $48 he cant call on a draw. This isnt a
> tournament. So I figure Check raise all in is my best play here.
>
> Am i right???? what did I miss? what do you think I should of done? I have no
> read on any of the other players except they are tight. They played maybe 1 hand
> in the 24 hands since I have sat down. What did I do wrong?? Is this just
> another case of being unlucky???
>
> Hand #47295395-1642 at Skene (No Limit Hold'em)
> Started at 10/Nov/07 02:09:44
>
> Bo_Duke is at seat 0 with $98.50.
> 67chev427 is at seat 1 with $32.60.
> PHIPSI104 is at seat 2 with $38.50.
> IM__ALL_IN is at seat 3 with $112.40.
> sniped1 is at seat 4 with $50.25.
> faulker1 is at seat 5 with $83.
> calisupra29 is at seat 6 with $83.05.
> Petski is at seat 7 with $109.75.
> jakecard is at seat 8 with $37.50.
> NateTheGreek is at seat 9 with $52.40.
> The button is at seat 2.
>
> IM__ALL_IN posts the small blind of $.50.
> sniped1 posts the big blind of $1.
>
> Bo_Duke: -- --
> 67chev427: -- --
> PHIPSI104: -- --
> IM__ALL_IN: -- --
> sniped1: Td Th
> faulker1: -- --
> calisupra29: -- --
> Petski: -- --
> jakecard: -- --
> NateTheGreek: -- --
>
> Pre-flop:
>
> faulker1 raises to $2. calisupra29 calls. Petski
> folds. jakecard folds. NateTheGreek folds.
> Bo_Duke folds. 67chev427 calls. PHIPSI104 folds.
> IM__ALL_IN folds. sniped1 calls.
>
> Flop (board: 7h Ts 8d):
>
> sniped1 checks. faulker1 bets $8.50. calisupra29
> calls. 67chev427 folds. sniped1 goes all-in for
> $48.25. faulker1 calls. calisupra29 folds.
>
> Turn (board: 7h Ts 8d Jc):
>
> (no action in this round)
>
>
> River (board: 7h Ts 8d Jc Qh):
>
> (no action in this round)
>
>
>
>
> Showdown:
>
> sniped1 shows Td Th.
> sniped1 has Td Th Ts Jc Qh: three tens.
> faulker1 shows 2c 9c.
> faulker1 has 9c Ts 8d Jc Qh: straight, queen high.
>
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You said it yourself somewhere in that post, you want this guy in your
game. He had 9-2 s00ted, long term he's good for you...right there, he
fucked up your day. I had a session that sucked balls yesterday, due
to a guy who called my $25 preflop bet (trying to win the $10 in
limped dollars since i knew i had hte best hand with 99) with J-9,
hits a J and gets more cash out of me when donkintinuation bet $70,
and my $68 all in with 3rd pair and an open ender.

I was fucking pissed, and on top of it the guy talked shit to me when
i turned over AdQd for 2 overs, a gutshot, and a flushdraw telling me
"I KNEW YOU DIDN'T HAVE SHIT!!!!!" all tough guy like. I had visions
of repeatedly stabbing the guy in the face, said "you're an excellent
poker player sir" and walked away from the table for an hour ride
home. Bottom line is, i didn't play the player properly in the 2nd
case, i know he's incapable of folding, and i'ts really easy to just
call him a donk and continue to think my skillz are uber.

If you're having a cold streak...PUT POKER OUT OF YOUR HEAD for a
while...tell yourself not to play for an entire week, and do other
shit. I'm about at that point myself, having gone from a dynamite
start of a 173% ROI to a string of like 15 consecutive 45 man SnGs
that i haven't placed in. I'm still in the black but it's starting to
tilt me a little and make me question how good i am. Knowing when NOT
to play is a huge factor in how well a poker player you are. In the
2nd hand you have to worry about Q9 and 96, and know that he's going
to call with many many worse hands like...NOTHING, which he did. His
call is so atrocious it's off the scale. He was getting what about 1:1
on that call, with a 1:3 chance of hitting. You (should) know that,
but you're upset because it didn't turn out in your favor. When that
type of shit starts to weigh on you, you know that you can't play your
best game in your heart of hearts. In fact, i just inspired myself to
take a week off.

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