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LeoSJ

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Since: Aug 30, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:24 am
Post subject: Is it bad luck, or bad skill!!
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I recently played four satellites for WCOOP main event. After losing all
four satellites I blamed bad luck for it. One of my friends (who does
not play poker but was an involuntary audience to my whining) told me
that I must be doing something wrong because I can not be unlucky
everytime. So, it made me think.. Help me out here and tell me whether I
was unlucky, or I could have actually done better.

First exit: Three handed game single table. Hole Cards JJ, Got raised by
the chipleader. I go all in to see KJ. The guy draws a straight and I
exit.

Second exit: 9 handed game, middle stages of multitable. Hole Cards TT
at SB. Button raises (has a slightly bigger stack than mine). I go all
in. Button calls with 77. makes flush.. I exit

Third Exit : my KK meet AA in the middle stages where any raise commits
you to the pot.

Fourth exit. JJ lose to 77. Flop comes 345 and turn 6...

Could I have done anything different in these scenarios.. Or, poker does
have a factor of good and bad streaks?!

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Gary Carson

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:37 am
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:31:31 GMT, "Eric Lindholm"

>
>2. Why is it that you were the smaller stack in each of the hands you
>described?

Exactly.

And, the fact that the poster thinks his being the favorite in those
hands meant he busted out just because of bad luck implies to me that
he doesn't understand tournaments and busted out becuase of mistakes.

The last hand didn't bust you out. You busted out on those hands
because you bled chips on previous hands and put yourself in a short
stack situation. The mistakes were made on previous hands. Probably
a lot of them.

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Paul Adams

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:55 pm
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In addition to the comments below, I just wonder how many seats are in the
money, or in prize position for these tourneys. I mean, you played four
tourneys and lost them. That may not indicate bad skill, and may not be
worse than average luck either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if 10% of the players in
a tourney wind up in the money, and you wind up there 15% of the time,
then you're a GREAT player. As such, you should expect to lose a hell of
a lot of tourneys. Four in a row's not much. If you're worse than
average, and only get there 6% of the time, then it might take you a long
time to figure that out and recognize the difference between bad luck and
bad skill, because there definitely long runs of good and bad luck for
everyone.

But then, who knows, maybe there are super duper players who wind up in
the money most of the time. I sincerely doubt this is the case at fast
paced crap shoots that end in a few hours. Maybe in longer events.

Does anyone have any insight into how often the pros end up in the money,
assuming that 10% or fewer players get there? Is there a significant
difference in performance between fast paced crap shoots, day long events,
and very long events like the WSOP main event?

By pros, I don't necessarily mean the worlds top, highest profile players
like Chan, Men the Master, or Brunson, though it would be interesting to
know what their records are also.

On Aug 29 2003 2:45PM, Gary Carson wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:31:31 GMT, "Eric Lindholm"
>
> >
> >2. Why is it that you were the smaller stack in each of the hands you
> >described?
>
> Exactly.
>
> And, the fact that the poster thinks his being the favorite in those
> hands meant he busted out just because of bad luck implies to me that
> he doesn't understand tournaments and busted out becuase of mistakes.
>
> The last hand didn't bust you out. You busted out on those hands
> because you bled chips on previous hands and put yourself in a short
> stack situation. The mistakes were made on previous hands. Probably
> a lot of them.

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