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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:58 pm
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JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
By Jon Christian Dryer
October 3, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a
breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question:
"Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President
of the United States?"
The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born
in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her
son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a
pregnant white wife who was close to term.)
Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according
to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how
Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near
term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her
baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that
shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned
to Hawaii.
Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered
her son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared
on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also
downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website,
Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was
hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber
pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy-even if it was issued as a
political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a
Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document,
which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped
"Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink
which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.
Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County.
Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic
State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to
learn the truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen.
Obama may also have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent
part of the story was Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had
been in the United States and was a US citizen. In his ruling, Judge
Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District
Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein
Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The
order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition
to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the
motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied.
It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be
turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) birth certificate; and 2. a certified copy of Obama's
Certificate of Citizenship; 3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of
allegiance."
In his original filing, Berg specifically asked for those three items.
Berg told the court that "...at the time Plaintiff's complaint was
filed, Plaintiff was requesting protections from the court in order to
stop Obama from being nominated by the DNC as the Democratic
Presidential Nominee as Obama is not eligible to serve as President of
the United States. However, Obama was nominated by the DNC...For that
reason, Plaintiff must amend his complaint and will be amending this
complaint to file a First Amendment complaint...."
Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election
Commission to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are
eligible to hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that
those candidates run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the
presidential candidate," Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required
to ensure the eligibility requirements pursuant to our Constitution are
met and the Presidential nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible
to serve pursuant to our United States Constitution. In order to be
eligible to run for the Office of President of the United States, you
must be a "natural born" citizen.
"There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley
Ann Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his
father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents,
according to divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2,
1961.
"Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4,
1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.
Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and
half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. reports
reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy;
however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii.
at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal
restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley
Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home
and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth"
for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in
Hawaii."
Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya
Soetoro-with whom he was raised-seemed not to know where her own brother
was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya
Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in
Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star
Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4,
1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9,
2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article
in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a
Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to
his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen.
Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of
1940, Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and
citizenship status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg
argued, a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status
of his or her custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo
Soetora signed a statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama
natural Indonesian citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro"
and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under
US law in effect in 1967 required that foreign citizenship be achieved
through "application." Which, according to Berg, is precisely what
happened to Obama when his mother married Soetoro and the family moved
to Indonesia.
When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been
enrolled in school-something that could not have happened under
Indonesian law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the
application) affirming that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to an
Indonesian State citizen. (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No.
9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992, Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children
of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal
marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by
father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that
acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or
prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945."
Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen
married a foreigner-in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann
Obama-she was required to renounce her US citizenship.
In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of
Citizenship, a document Obama must have applied for to regain his
citizenship-which was lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only
if the proper paperwork was filed with the US State Department when
Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971 since that is the only way Obama could
regain his US "natural born" status. Berg is convinced that Obama was
never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama returned
to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii without his mother. Since she is
the only one who could have filed for the reinstatement of his
citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it did, his Certificate
of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the office of President.
Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien who can't
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On 2008-10-05 11:05:55 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.DeleteThis@shaw1.ca> said:
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> "pokertoker" <pokertoker.DeleteThis@bluesky.com> wrote in message
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>> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
As usual, you are missing the point. The lawsuit doesn't say that the
birth certificate is a fake. They are demanding proof that what
Obama's grandmother says, specifically that he was born in Kenya not
Hawaii, is false. We all know that the Hawaii issued birth certificate
is valid. What is uncertain is whether Obama was born in Kenya or
Hawaii. >> Stay informed about: Al G. begins emergency campaign preps... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:58 pm
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"brewmaster" <brewmaster.DeleteThis@brewcam.com> wrote in message
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>>> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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>> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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> As usual, you are missing the point. The lawsuit doesn't say that the
> birth certificate is a fake. They are demanding proof that what Obama's
> grandmother says, specifically that he was born in Kenya not Hawaii, is
> false. We all know that the Hawaii issued birth certificate is valid.
> What is uncertain is whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
No, it's you who is missing the point. Let me spell out the salient sentence
for you:
Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Do you get the point now? >> Stay informed about: Al G. begins emergency campaign preps... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:58 pm
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On 2008-10-05 12:05:47 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.DeleteThis@shaw1.ca> said:
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> "brewmaster" <brewmaster.DeleteThis@brewcam.com> wrote in message
> news:gcb05a$qoo$1@registered.motzarella.org...
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>>>> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
>>>
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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>> As usual, you are missing the point. The lawsuit doesn't say that the
>> birth certificate is a fake. They are demanding proof that what Obama's
>> grandmother says, specifically that he was born in Kenya not Hawaii, is
>> false. We all know that the Hawaii issued birth certificate is valid.
>> What is uncertain is whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
>
> No, it's you who is missing the point. Let me spell out the salient sentence
> for you:
>
> Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
>
> Do you get the point now?
And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh? >> Stay informed about: Al G. begins emergency campaign preps... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:31 pm
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"brewmaster" <brewmaster.DeleteThis@brewcam.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-10-05 11:05:55 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.DeleteThis@shaw1.ca> said:
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>> "pokertoker" <pokertoker.DeleteThis@bluesky.com> wrote in message
>> news:gcav7e$i1s$1@registered.motzarella.org...
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>>> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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>> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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> As usual, you are missing the point. The lawsuit doesn't say that the
> birth certificate is a fake. They are demanding proof that what Obama's
> grandmother says, specifically that he was born in Kenya not Hawaii, is
> false. We all know that the Hawaii issued birth certificate is valid.
> What is uncertain is whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
Not missing the point? He has no way to know the point. Anything not
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:47 pm
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"brewmaster" <brewmaster RemoveThis @brewcam.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-10-05 12:05:47 -0700, "BillB" <bogus RemoveThis @shaw1.ca> said:
> And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
> grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh?
I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
quote by me.
It's my understanding that the grandmother is dead. Maybe Obama murdered
her! After all, he hasn't proven he didn't! Where's there's smoke there's
fire!
Are you aware of the plaintiff's legal history? He is in the process of
appealing sanctions and fines from his bar association. He is bankrupt. He
cites his successful prosecution of a case protecting the rights of circus
elephants as evidence of his competency running "big cases". You can't make
this stuff up! And the capper? He's the same guy who filed a RICO action (on
behalf of William Rodriguez), later abandoned, against George W. Bush et al.
for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks:
"In October 2004, Rodriguez sued the President of the United States and 155
other parties, accusing them of complicity in the 9/11 attacks. His 237-page
civil lawsuit[20] included allegations pursuant to the RICO, directed
against The United States Of America, the Federal Emergency Management
Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, George Herbert Walker Bush,
George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld,and numerous others,
totaling 156 defendants[21] in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern
District of Pennsylvania.
In his lawsuit, Rodriquez made hundreds of allegations, including - but not
limited to - allegations that the Twin Towers were destroyed by means of
"controlled demolitions"; that members of the FDNY were ordered, on
instructions of the CIA, not to talk about it; that the FDNY conspired with
Larry Silverstein to deliberately destroy 7WTC; that missiles were fired at
the Twin Towers from "pods" affixed to the underside of the planes that
struck them; that FEMA is working with the US government to create "American
Gulag" concentration camps which FEMA will run once the government's plan to
impose martial law is in place; that phone calls made by some of the
victims, as reported by their family members, were not actually made but
were "faked" by the government using "voice morphing" technology; that a
missile, not American Airlines Flight 77, struck the Pentagon; that United
Airlines Flight 93 was shot down by the US military; that the defendants had
foreknowledge of the attacks and actively conspired to bring them about;
that the defendants engaged in kidnapping, arson, murder, treason,
conspiracy, trafficking in narcotics, embezzlement, securities fraud,
insider trading, identity and credit card theft, blackmail, trafficking in
humans, and the abduction and sale of women and children for sex. In his
Complaint, Rodriquez also alleged that he "single-handedly rescued fifteen
(15) persons from the WTC" [22]. No evidence in support of any of
Rodriguez's claims was ever provided by Rodriguez."
Have you ever heard the phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence"? Unfortunately for Mr. Berg, he appears to have *no* evidence
other than double or triple hearsay and his own say-so. This case has
"frivolous lawsuit" written all over it in BIG RED LETTERS. Good luck to
him.
I don't suppose you or Susan would like to place a wager on the case's
ultimate success? I am prepared to offer generous odds. >> Stay informed about: Al G. begins emergency campaign preps... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:53 pm
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On 2008-10-05 13:47:36 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.TakeThisOut@shaw1.ca> said:
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> "brewmaster" <brewmaster.TakeThisOut@brewcam.com> wrote in message
> news:gcb3op$fo3$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> On 2008-10-05 12:05:47 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.TakeThisOut@shaw1.ca> said:
>
>> And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
>> grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh?
>
> I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
> ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
> quote by me.
>
> It's my understanding that the grandmother is dead. Maybe Obama murdered
> her! After all, he hasn't proven he didn't! Where's there's smoke there's
> fire!
>
> Are you aware of the plaintiff's legal history? He is in the process of
> appealing sanctions and fines from his bar association. He is bankrupt. He
> cites his successful prosecution of a case protecting the rights of circus
> elephants as evidence of his competency running "big cases". You can't make
> this stuff up! And the capper? He's the same guy who filed a RICO action (on
> behalf of William Rodriguez), later abandoned, against George W. Bush et al.
> for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks:
>
> "In October 2004, Rodriguez sued the President of the United States and 155
> other parties, accusing them of complicity in the 9/11 attacks. His 237-page
> civil lawsuit[20] included allegations pursuant to the RICO, directed
> against The United States Of America, the Federal Emergency Management
> Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, George Herbert Walker Bush,
> George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld,and numerous others,
> totaling 156 defendants[21] in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern
> District of Pennsylvania.
>
> In his lawsuit, Rodriquez made hundreds of allegations, including - but not
> limited to - allegations that the Twin Towers were destroyed by means of
> "controlled demolitions"; that members of the FDNY were ordered, on
> instructions of the CIA, not to talk about it; that the FDNY conspired with
> Larry Silverstein to deliberately destroy 7WTC; that missiles were fired at
> the Twin Towers from "pods" affixed to the underside of the planes that
> struck them; that FEMA is working with the US government to create "American
> Gulag" concentration camps which FEMA will run once the government's plan to
> impose martial law is in place; that phone calls made by some of the
> victims, as reported by their family members, were not actually made but
> were "faked" by the government using "voice morphing" technology; that a
> missile, not American Airlines Flight 77, struck the Pentagon; that United
> Airlines Flight 93 was shot down by the US military; that the defendants had
> foreknowledge of the attacks and actively conspired to bring them about;
> that the defendants engaged in kidnapping, arson, murder, treason,
> conspiracy, trafficking in narcotics, embezzlement, securities fraud,
> insider trading, identity and credit card theft, blackmail, trafficking in
> humans, and the abduction and sale of women and children for sex. In his
> Complaint, Rodriquez also alleged that he "single-handedly rescued fifteen
> (15) persons from the WTC" [22]. No evidence in support of any of
> Rodriguez's claims was ever provided by Rodriguez."
>
>
> Have you ever heard the phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
> evidence"? Unfortunately for Mr. Berg, he appears to have *no* evidence
> other than double or triple hearsay and his own say-so. This case has
> "frivolous lawsuit" written all over it in BIG RED LETTERS. Good luck to
> him.
>
> I don't suppose you or Susan would like to place a wager on the case's
> ultimate success? I am prepared to offer generous odds.
No wager, as I've been sure since the start that the case had no merit,
and I never said the birth certificate wasn't real. I didn't know the
grandmother was dead, but it sounds as if she did say the things she
was credited with saying. In any event, I have already begun to steel
myself to the notion that Obama will be president. As I stated in
another post, whether I agree with the person's politics or not, I
believe that the man holding the office of president of the U.S.
deserves our respect. Even GWB. >> Stay informed about: Al G. begins emergency campaign preps... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:55 pm
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On 2008-10-05 13:47:36 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.RemoveThis@shaw1.ca> said:
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> "brewmaster" <brewmaster.RemoveThis@brewcam.com> wrote in message
> news:gcb3op$fo3$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> On 2008-10-05 12:05:47 -0700, "BillB" <bogus.RemoveThis@shaw1.ca> said:
>
>> And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
>> grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh?
>
> I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
> ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
> quote by me.
Sorry, didn't mean to attribute a slur to you that you didn't use. Man
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:26 pm
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The whole point of the natural born clause is to prevent someone who
has not experienced their entire life in the United States from
becoming a leader of people that have.
It's also to help prevent a person that moves here from another
country and use our government for the purposes of another government.
Technically Obama might not be able to meet the hard point of actually
being born here. Absence of evidence which I would think would be
provided to bolster the natural born argument leads me to assume Obama
does meet the reasoning for the clause.
I hope this issue is resolved before election. Looks like Hillary
might be coming back after all.
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On 2008-10-05 14:26:25 -0700, AJ.RemoveThis@Texas.net said:
> The whole point of the natural born clause is to prevent someone who
> has not experienced their entire life in the United States from
> becoming a leader of people that have.
Really? Wow, thanks for clearing that up. I guess McCain should drop
out too then, huh? I mean, he was born in Panama and lived all those
years in Vietnam...
>
> It's also to help prevent a person that moves here from another
> country and use our government for the purposes of another government.
>
> Technically Obama might not be able to meet the hard point of actually
> being born here. Absence of evidence which I would think would be
> provided to bolster the natural born argument leads me to assume Obama
> does meet the reasoning for the clause.
>
> I hope this issue is resolved before election. Looks like Hillary
> might be coming back after all.
>
> AJ >> Stay informed about: Al G. begins emergency campaign preps... |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:55:45 -0700, brewmaster <brewmaster RemoveThis @brewcam.com>
wrote:
>> I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
>> ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
>> quote by me.
>Sorry, didn't mean to attribute a slur to you that you didn't use. Man
>gangbanged by fags uses it all the time.
So this is more of that language you commend to me as showing how
classy you are and how you never resort to vile sexual slurs.
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On 2008-10-05 14:22:33 -0700, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nobody DeleteThis @fool.foo> said:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:55:45 -0700, brewmaster <brewmaster DeleteThis @brewcam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
>>> ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
>>> quote by me.
>
>> Sorry, didn't mean to attribute a slur to you that you didn't use. Man
>> gangbanged by fags uses it all the time.
>
> So this is more of that language you commend to me as showing how
> classy you are and how you never resort to vile sexual slurs.
>
> Good going, scumbag. ROTFL @ your pathetic stupidity, you lowlife.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:03 pm
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Look again. Berg v Obama
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
The filing (#13) is plaintiff's response to a motion to dismiss. It
includes a draft order for the Judge to sign if he agrees. It is not
signed, since the hearing on the motion has not occurred yet. The original
motion (#12) also includes a draft Order.
You don't have to understand federal civil procedure to get by, but please
don't hyperventilate over routine stuff.
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> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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> By Jon Christian Dryer
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> October 3, 2008
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> NewsWithViews.com
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> On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
> federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
> matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
> distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a
> breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question:
> "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President
> of the United States?"
>
> The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
> question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
> certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
> States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
> grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born
> in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her
> son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a
> pregnant white wife who was close to term.)
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> Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according
> to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
> Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how
> Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near
> term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her
> baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that
> shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned
> to Hawaii.
>
> Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered
> her son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
> supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
> Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
> certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
>
> While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared
> on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also
> downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website,
> Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was
> hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber
> pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy-even if it was issued as a
> political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a
> Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document,
> which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped
> "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink
> which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.
>
> Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County.
> Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic
> State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to
> learn the truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen.
> Obama may also have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent
> part of the story was Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had
> been in the United States and was a US citizen. In his ruling, Judge
> Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District
> Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein
> Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The
> order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition
> to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the
> motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied.
> It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be
> turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.
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> 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
> version) birth certificate; and 2. a certified copy of Obama's
> Certificate of Citizenship; 3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of
> allegiance."
>
> In his original filing, Berg specifically asked for those three items.
> Berg told the court that "...at the time Plaintiff's complaint was
> filed, Plaintiff was requesting protections from the court in order to
> stop Obama from being nominated by the DNC as the Democratic
> Presidential Nominee as Obama is not eligible to serve as President of
> the United States. However, Obama was nominated by the DNC...For that
> reason, Plaintiff must amend his complaint and will be amending this
> complaint to file a First Amendment complaint...."
>
> Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election
> Commission to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are
> eligible to hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that
> those candidates run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the
> presidential candidate," Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required
> to ensure the eligibility requirements pursuant to our Constitution are
> met and the Presidential nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible
> to serve pursuant to our United States Constitution. In order to be
> eligible to run for the Office of President of the United States, you
> must be a "natural born" citizen.
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> "There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley
> Ann Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his
> father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents,
> according to divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2,
> 1961.
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> "Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4,
> 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.
> Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and
> half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. reports
> reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy;
> however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii.
> at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal
> restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley
> Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home
> and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth"
> for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in
> Hawaii."
>
> Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya
> Soetoro-with whom he was raised-seemed not to know where her own brother
> was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya
> Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in
> Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star
> Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4,
> 1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9,
> 2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article
> in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a
> Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to
> his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen.
>
> Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of
> 1940, Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and
> citizenship status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg
> argued, a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status
> of his or her custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo
> Soetora signed a statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama
> natural Indonesian citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro"
> and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under
> US law in effect in 1967 required that foreign citizenship be achieved
> through "application." Which, according to Berg, is precisely what
> happened to Obama when his mother married Soetoro and the family moved
> to Indonesia.
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> When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been
> enrolled in school-something that could not have happened under
> Indonesian law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the
> application) affirming that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to an
> Indonesian State citizen. (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No.
> 9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992, Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children
> of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal
> marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by
> father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that
> acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or
> prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945."
> Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen
> married a foreigner-in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann
> Obama-she was required to renounce her US citizenship.
>
> In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of
> Citizenship, a document Obama must have applied for to regain his
> citizenship-which was lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only
> if the proper paperwork was filed with the US State Department when
> Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971 since that is the only way Obama could
> regain his US "natural born" status. Berg is convinced that Obama was
> never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama returned
> to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii without his mother. Since she is
> the only one who could have filed for the reinstatement of his
> citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it did, his Certificate
> of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the office of President.
> Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien who can't
> legally hold his seat in
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> Look again. Berg v Obama
> http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
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> The filing (#13) is plaintiff's response to a motion to dismiss. It
> includes a draft order for the Judge to sign if he agrees. It is not
> signed, since the hearing on the motion has not occurred yet. The
> original motion (#12) also includes a draft Order.
>
> You don't have to understand federal civil procedure to get by, but please
> don't hyperventilate over routine stuff.
He posted an article of interest to many and he is hyper-ventillating? A
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