Al G. begins emergency campaign preps...

External Since: Mar 29, 2007 Posts: 884

BillB wrote:

> No, it's you who is missing the point. Let me spell out the salient sentence
> for you:
>
> Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
>
> Do you get the point now?

I cannot say whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya. It looks pretty
clear that the Honolulu certificate is real. But that does not prove
that he was actually born in Honolulu. His mother could have registered
his birth after flying back with him from Kenya as the rumors suggest.
No conspiracy is necessary, an announcement would have been duly printed
in the local paper. It would depend on how thoroughly the Department of
Health verified the information.

People do such things, you know. My wife's mother got knocked up before
marriage, and in an attempt to hide it planned to fly from her home in
Philadelphia to Miami to have the kid. Unfortunately, my wife came
early, before her mother made the flight. So her mother took a
prematurely-born infant on a plane to Miami, returning several months
later, and reporting her birthdate as being after the return. My wife
didn't know about this until she was an adult, she grew up thinking her
birthday was in May instead of January.

The point being, you don't have to have planned on running for President
when a few days old to falsely register a birth. There's lots of
reasons for doing it. Why would anyone be surprised that the American
family of a child born overseas but brought back to the U.S. within days
of his birth, would want the child to have an American birth
certificate, and would send a birth announcement to the local papers?

Something pertinent that I didn't see addressed is, what was the
standard for issuing a birth certificate in Honolulu in 1961? Did the
hospital have to verify the info with the long form? If so, what about
a home birth (which might not even have a doctor present)? What was the
standard then? The web page didn't identify a hospital.

I didn't see anything on the factcheck.org page about a court case. If
the story of a pending case is true, it could get interesting. Again,
it isn't just an issue of whether the birth certificate is a real,
properly-registered document, if the information on it is not correct.

Finally, I want to stress again that I am making NO claim that the
information on the certificate is false. I have no way to know. At
this point, I simply find the case interesting.

--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range

External Since: Feb 04, 2007 Posts: 354

"Susan" <sdbratt48.DeleteThis@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:NZaGk.18298$I44.11752@newsfe03.iad...
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> "Schmedley" <schmegegel.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:LsqdnbQ-_JdcpHTVnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>
>> Look again. Berg v Obama
>> http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
>>
>> The filing (#13) is plaintiff's response to a motion to dismiss. It
>> includes a draft order for the Judge to sign if he agrees. It is not
>> signed, since the hearing on the motion has not occurred yet. The
>> original motion (#12) also includes a draft Order.
>>
>> You don't have to understand federal civil procedure to get by, but
>> please don't hyperventilate over routine stuff.
>
> He posted an article of interest to many and he is hyper-ventillating? A
> little defensive are we?
>

The OP, in all caps:

JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Which, of course, is untrue. But don't let facts get in the way.