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> I have some comments on both those books at
> http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/
>
> I'd be interested in what any of y'all think.
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com

I think 2+2 has a real hard time putting out a good book. For every HoH
and ToP, there are several duds like Psychology of Poker. These two
appear headed for the dud pile, at least based on the sample chapters. I
suspect the Harrington cashgame books will be far better.

However, if Amazon is to be believed you put out a poker book that wasn't
spellchecked, so maybe people in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones. Or
something like that.

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On Jul 17 2007 2:50 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> > I have some comments on both those books at
> > http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/
> >
> > I'd be interested in what any of y'all think.
> > Gary Carson
> > http://www.garycarson.com/
>
> I think 2+2 has a real hard time putting out a good book. For every HoH
> and ToP, there are several duds like Psychology of Poker. These two
> appear headed for the dud pile, at least based on the sample chapters. I
> suspect the Harrington cashgame books will be far better.
>
> However, if Amazon is to be believed you put out a poker book that wasn't
> spellchecked, so maybe people in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones. Or
> something like that.

When you figure out the difference between what Amazon says and what some idiot
comment on the Amazon website says then please get back to us.

I have no problem at all being critical of bad work, whether it's bad work done
by me or bad work done by someone else.  You must have me confused with somebody
else.

From what I've seen of the above books so far they both look like collections of
empty pages with some ink on them.  I go into more detail in that blog I
referenced.

I can think of a couple of errors I made in my books.  However, they are not
intellectually empty.  And, although I can't spell for shit, Kensington's copy
editors can spell.


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> When you figure out the difference between what Amazon says and what some
idiot
> comment on the Amazon website says then please get back to us.
>
> I have no problem at all being critical of bad work, whether it's bad work
done
> by me or bad work done by someone else. You must have me confused with
somebody
> else.
>
> From what I've seen of the above books so far they both look like
collections of
> empty pages with some ink on them. I go into more detail in that blog I
> referenced.
>
> I can think of a couple of errors I made in my books. However, they are not
> intellectually empty. And, although I can't spell for shit, Kensington's
copy
> editors can spell.

So you're claiming that the reviewer is lying? That if I buy a copy of
your book, you'll lay me very good odds I can't find any of the
misspellings he lists? Let me know what odds and how much action you'll
take.

Spelling and any possible hypocrisy aside, we'll just have to wait on the
2+2 books. I don't have high hopes given the author lists and Sklansky's
veiled comments that he was disappointed with the drafts, but I'll reserve
judgment until I can read the whole book.

As an interesting aside, your website contains some abject nonsense. If
your poker books are in a similar vein, they may indeed be "intellectually
empty".

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On Jul 17 2007 3:53 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> > When you figure out the difference between what Amazon says and what some
> idiot
> > comment on the Amazon website says then please get back to us.
> >
> > I have no problem at all being critical of bad work, whether it's bad work
> done
> > by me or bad work done by someone else. You must have me confused with
> somebody
> > else.
> >
> > From what I've seen of the above books so far they both look like
> collections of
> > empty pages with some ink on them. I go into more detail in that blog I
> > referenced.
> >
> > I can think of a couple of errors I made in my books. However, they are not
> > intellectually empty. And, although I can't spell for shit, Kensington's
> copy
> > editors can spell.
>
> So you're claiming that the reviewer is lying?

That's not even close to what I said.  What I said was that he's not Amazon.

>That if I buy a copy of
> your book, you'll lay me very good odds I can't find any of the
> misspellings he lists? Let me know what odds and how much action you'll
> take.

I hadn't read that review so I went and read it.  Those are all words I often
misspell.  I wouldn't surprise me at all if he found some of them.

The only thing he actually quoted and gave a page number for was quoted
correctly.  But I think the sentence

A theory has three characteristics: descriptive, explanatory, and predictive.

is pretty clear.  If that's his best example of bad writing then the book must
be even better than I thought.

He's pretty much an idiot though.  I like his closing line.

"Look, I'm sure the guy can play. But he should have worked with a writer on
this one. As a professional writer myself, I know that a lot of people think
that "anyone can write." It's just not true. This book is a shining example. "

I wrote for a living for 15 years before I ever wrote anything about poker.


 

>
> As an interesting aside, your website contains some abject nonsense. If
> your poker books are in a similar vein, they may indeed be "intellectually
> empty".

Somehow I'm not surprised that you think that.

Good luck with getting control of that anger.


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> I hadn't read that review so I went and read it. Those are all words I often
> misspell. I wouldn't surprise me at all if he found some of them.

Ah, so a poker book DID get out the door with you name on it and no spell
checking. Got it. See previous comment about grass houses and thrones

> Somehow I'm not surprised that you think that.

What am I supposed to think about this?

http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/ specifically, the Friday, June
01, 2007 entry

when you think it's a mistake to get a whole bunch of money in with the
2:1 best of it. I think you need to re-read theory of poker and
understand what a mistake is, because that ain't it. You've got a
ridiculous case of playing results rather than expectations if you think
that was a bad play.

> Good luck with getting control of that anger.

If your reads are as bad at the poker table as they are here, I'm not
surprised you have to sell second rate books to keep afloat. I'll clue
you in on something: I'm not angry about your book. I'm not angry about
what may be two low quality 2+2 books. I'm not even angry that you think
you should slowplay overpairs against likely draws. I find the whole
thing a bizarre cosmic joke. How could I possibly complain about the
mis-education of a generation of poker players that I'll have the pleasure
of playing against?

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Wayne, do you have any friends? Does anyone like you? Does your mother
like you?

Just simple questions.

Susan


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>> I hadn't read that review so I went and read it. Those are all words I
>> often
>> misspell. I wouldn't surprise me at all if he found some of them.
>
> Ah, so a poker book DID get out the door with you name on it and no spell
> checking. Got it. See previous comment about grass houses and thrones
>
>> Somehow I'm not surprised that you think that.
>
> What am I supposed to think about this?
>
> http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/ specifically, the Friday, June
> 01, 2007 entry
>
> when you think it's a mistake to get a whole bunch of money in with the
> 2:1 best of it. I think you need to re-read theory of poker and
> understand what a mistake is, because that ain't it. You've got a
> ridiculous case of playing results rather than expectations if you think
> that was a bad play.
>
>> Good luck with getting control of that anger.
>
> If your reads are as bad at the poker table as they are here, I'm not
> surprised you have to sell second rate books to keep afloat. I'll clue
> you in on something: I'm not angry about your book. I'm not angry about
> what may be two low quality 2+2 books. I'm not even angry that you think
> you should slowplay overpairs against likely draws. I find the whole
> thing a bizarre cosmic joke. How could I possibly complain about the
> mis-education of a generation of poker players that I'll have the pleasure
> of playing against?
>
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"Susan"

> Wayne, do you have any friends? Does anyone like you? Does your mother
> like you?
>
> Just simple questions.

Hell, even Jesus thinks he is a pain.
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> Wayne, do you have any friends? Does anyone like you? Does your mother
> like you?
>
> Just simple questions.
>
> Susan

I have plenty of friends. And few if any of them would say that
slowplaying overpairs against draws is a winning strategy. My mother's
deceased, but she played a pretty decent game of cards and would have
gotten a good laugh out of Gary's blog post too.

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:52:05 -0500, "Susan" <sdbratt48 RemoveThis @netscape.net>
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>Wayne, do you have any friends? Does anyone like you? Does your mother
>like you?
>
>Just simple questions.

A better question would be if he's ever been right about anything in
any of his posts here.
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On Jul 17 2007 4:34 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> > I hadn't read that review so I went and read it. Those are all words I
> > often
> > misspell. I wouldn't surprise me at all if he found some of them.
>
> Ah, so a poker book DID get out the door with you name on it and no spell
> checking. Got it. See previous comment about grass houses and thrones

No, not at all.

I'm not going to explain to you the typical process for getting a book out the
door in 1998.  It would be way to confusing to you.

>
> > Somehow I'm not surprised that you think that.
>
> What am I supposed to think about this?
>
> http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/ specifically, the Friday, June
> 01, 2007 entry
>

> when you think it's a mistake to get a whole bunch of money in with the
> 2:1 best of it. I think you need to re-read theory of poker and
> understand what a mistake is, because that ain't it. You've got a
> ridiculous case of playing results rather than expectations if you think
> that was a bad play.

What's your question? 

Oh, wait. I understand, I thought you were quoting me, but you're not, you're
commenting on my post -- the post is here.

http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/2007/06/more-on-overplaying-pair.html

I understand.  You compute the odds of the hand based on what you know a few
minutes after you you have to make a decision rather than what you know at the
time of the decision.

And, you're right.  That's exactly the kind of results oriented definition David
uses in Theory of Poker and it's exactly what's wrong with using the Fundemental
Decison of Poker in the anaysis of a decision.

The sad reality is that most of us don't have that talent, most of us have to
make do with what we actually know rather than what we might know later.  It's
really sad, but it's true.

I explain the mistake you're making here

http://playingnolimitpoker.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-on-overplaying-pair-revisit
ed.html

I don't delete non-spam comments on my blogs, I'd suggest that any future
comments on a blog post be made at the source.  I'm less likely to 86 you there
than I am to 86 you here.


>
> > Good luck with getting control of that anger.
>
> If your reads are as bad at the poker table as they are here, I'm not
> surprised you have to sell second rate books to keep afloat. I'll clue
> you in on something: I'm not angry about your book. I'm not angry about
> what may be two low quality 2+2 books. I'm not even angry that you think
> you should slowplay overpairs against likely draws.

No, but you have a lot of anger that you should really try to get control of. 
Everything about your life will improve if you get control.

Thanks for giving me the chance to expound on the thinking in that June 1st blog
post.

 Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com/




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