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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:33 pm
Post subject: folding aces pre flop - help please
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you are down to the final table of 10 of a 100 person tournament and only 9 get
paid. (i know it is strange)You are chip leader with 120k the short stack is on
you left with 2.5k the other 8 have around 20k in chips. Blinds are 500/1000Due
to the bubble fear you can keep stealing the blinds from the all the ave stack
players by rasing 25k almost every hand and although they are openly talking
about what you are doing none of them want to stand up to you and risk being the
bubble, particually as they know that soon the short stack will get blinded
away.when it get round for the short stack to post his big blind / your small
blind you chuck pocket aces face up into the muck. Everyone complains as you
were a big fav to take out the bubble who would almost certainly call any raise
at this point. Does anyone else agree with me that this is a good fold as it
mean you can keep steeling for all the other player with little risk of a call?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:33 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:33 pm
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paul garrad wrote:
> you are down to the final table of 10 of a 100 person tournament and only 9 get
> paid. (i know it is strange)You are chip leader with 120k the short stack is on
> you left with 2.5k the other 8 have around 20k in chips. Blinds are 500/1000Due
> to the bubble fear you can keep stealing the blinds from the all the ave stack
> players by rasing 25k almost every hand and although they are openly talking
> about what you are doing none of them want to stand up to you and risk being the
> bubble, particually as they know that soon the short stack will get blinded
> away.when it get round for the short stack to post his big blind / your small
> blind you chuck pocket aces face up into the muck. Everyone complains as you
> were a big fav to take out the bubble who would almost certainly call any raise
> at this point. Does anyone else agree with me that this is a good fold as it
> mean you can keep steeling for all the other player with little risk of a call?
>
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Men the Master used that strategy causing a bit of tongue wagging. But
it was a two table scenario where they were short handed and when a
player busted the two tables would combine. If irc correctly the
shortest stack was either very short or was all in for not much more to
Men. Men folded (I think) KK face up, allowing the on life support
stack to survive. He did it to keep pushing the short handed table
around (I don't recall if it was a bubble or if they were already in
the tournament) but by doing so the status quo of the table remained
the same and Men much more equity than he would have from busting the
player.
I am assuming your situation isn't a satellite situation where all nine
players are paid the same, but a payout structure where 9th gets almost
nothing and 1st gets 30 - 70%
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:33 pm
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AlwaysAware.DeleteThis@aol.com wrote:
> paul garrad wrote:
> > you are down to the final table of 10 of a 100 person tournament and only 9 get
> > paid. (i know it is strange)You are chip leader with 120k the short stack is on
> > you left with 2.5k the other 8 have around 20k in chips. Blinds are 500/1000Due
> > to the bubble fear you can keep stealing the blinds from the all the ave stack
> > players by rasing 25k almost every hand and although they are openly talking
> > about what you are doing none of them want to stand up to you and risk being the
> > bubble, particually as they know that soon the short stack will get blinded
> > away.when it get round for the short stack to post his big blind / your small
> > blind you chuck pocket aces face up into the muck. Everyone complains as you
> > were a big fav to take out the bubble who would almost certainly call any raise
> > at this point. Does anyone else agree with me that this is a good fold as it
> > mean you can keep steeling for all the other player with little risk of a call?
> >
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> Men the Master used that strategy causing a bit of tongue wagging. But
> it was a two table scenario where they were short handed and when a
> player busted the two tables would combine. If irc correctly the
> shortest stack was either very short or was all in for not much more to
> Men. Men folded (I think) KK face up, allowing the on life support
> stack to survive. He did it to keep pushing the short handed table
> around (I don't recall if it was a bubble or if they were already in
> the tournament) but by doing so the status quo of the table remained
> the same and Men much more equity than he would have from busting the
> player.
>
> I am assuming your situation isn't a satellite situation where all nine
> players are paid the same, but a payout structure where 9th gets almost
> nothing and 1st gets 30 - 70%
>
> Joan
Seems to me this "strategy" would empower all of the shorter stacks,
not just the shortest stack. Here's why. By showing the cards, the
bully is announcing his/her intentions of continuing the stealing of
the blinds without actually knocking anyone out. At least without
knocking someone with "insignificant" amount of chips. His folding has
demonstrated that he is not willing to stop the stealing opportunity.
So, the lower (not lowest) chip stacks have a very good chance of
winning the hands he raises by re-raising all-in, particularly when in
the blinds.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:33 pm
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On 28 Jul 2006 08:23:28 -0700, "ML" <lipsey.mike.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>AlwaysAware@aol.com wrote:
>> Men the Master used that strategy causing a bit of tongue wagging. But
>> it was a two table scenario where they were short handed and when a
>> player busted the two tables would combine. If irc correctly the
>> shortest stack was either very short or was all in for not much more to
>> Men. Men folded (I think) KK face up, allowing the on life support
>> stack to survive. He did it to keep pushing the short handed table
>> around (I don't recall if it was a bubble or if they were already in
>> the tournament) but by doing so the status quo of the table remained
>> the same and Men much more equity than he would have from busting the
>> player.
>> I am assuming your situation isn't a satellite situation where all nine
>> players are paid the same, but a payout structure where 9th gets almost
>> nothing and 1st gets 30 - 70%
>Seems to me this "strategy" would empower all of the shorter stacks,
>not just the shortest stack. Here's why. By showing the cards, the
>bully is announcing his/her intentions of continuing the stealing of
>the blinds without actually knocking anyone out. At least without
>knocking someone with "insignificant" amount of chips. His folding has
>demonstrated that he is not willing to stop the stealing opportunity.
>So, the lower (not lowest) chip stacks have a very good chance of
>winning the hands he raises by re-raising all-in, particularly when in
>the blinds.
Of course, if someone like Men chose to make this play, it is probably
because he correctly considered the table to consist of people he could
push around who would never dream of pushing back without a real
hand. Personally, I'm not good enough to make this fold. I just push. >> Stay informed about: folding aces pre flop - help please |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:50 pm
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OK, that makes sense, but why on earth would you show?
Would this be considered collusion?
On Jul 28 2006 10:33 AM, paul garrad wrote:
> you are down to the final table of 10 of a 100 person tournament and only 9
> get
> paid. (i know it is strange)You are chip leader with 120k the short stack is
> on
> you left with 2.5k the other 8 have around 20k in chips. Blinds are
> 500/1000Due
> to the bubble fear you can keep stealing the blinds from the all the ave stack
> players by rasing 25k almost every hand and although they are openly talking
> about what you are doing none of them want to stand up to you and risk being
> the
> bubble, particually as they know that soon the short stack will get blinded
> away.when it get round for the short stack to post his big blind / your small
> blind you chuck pocket aces face up into the muck. Everyone complains as you
> were a big fav to take out the bubble who would almost certainly call any
> raise
> at this point. Does anyone else agree with me that this is a good fold as it
> mean you can keep steeling for all the other player with little risk of a
> call?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:50 pm
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steve1127 wrote:
> OK, that makes sense, but why on earth would you show?
>
Because you've developed a finely crafted table image of asshole and
wish to strengthen it.
> Would this be considered collusion?
How could it be? The short stack has no input here. There can't be
collusion unless there's an explicit agreement. >> Stay informed about: folding aces pre flop - help please |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:50 pm
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steve1127 wrote:
> On Jul 28 2006 10:33 AM, paul garrad wrote:
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> > you are down to the final table of 10 of a 100 person tournament and only 9
> > get
> > paid. (i know it is strange)You are chip leader with 120k the short stack is
> > on
> > you left with 2.5k the other 8 have around 20k in chips. Blinds are
> > 500/1000Due
> > to the bubble fear you can keep stealing the blinds from the all the ave stack
> > players by rasing 25k almost every hand and although they are openly talking
> > about what you are doing none of them want to stand up to you and risk being
> > the
> > bubble, particually as they know that soon the short stack will get blinded
> > away.when it get round for the short stack to post his big blind / your small
> > blind you chuck pocket aces face up into the muck. Everyone complains as you
> > were a big fav to take out the bubble who would almost certainly call any
> > raise
> > at this point. Does anyone else agree with me that this is a good fold as it
> > mean you can keep steeling for all the other player with little risk of a
> > call?
>
>
> OK, that makes sense, but why on earth would you show?
>
> Would this be considered collusion?
>
Showing could put some players on tilt, which could be useful, but it's
unlikely. I don't think I would show for two reasons. Any good players
would instantly know why I folded, and pay more attention to me. Also,
any good short stacked players will now know there's a good chance that
heads up against me, I'm going to fold if they go all in. I don't want
the short stacks to grab any of my chips unless it's in my interest.
Collusion is, with other qualifications, an agreement to play a certain
way between players. There is no agreement here, just one player
folding his cards. No collusion.
Personally, I don't really mind going out on the bubble. This is a
perfect time for anyone else to step up and be aggressive, too, if they
aren't afraid to try. I'm interested in making money, not playing for a
few hours and just getting my money back. >> Stay informed about: folding aces pre flop - help please |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:51 pm
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> you are down to the final table of 10 of a 100 person tournament and only
9 get
> paid. (i know it is strange)You are chip leader with 120k the short stack
is on
> you left with 2.5k the other 8 have around 20k in chips. Blinds are
500/1000Due
> to the bubble fear you can keep stealing the blinds from the all the ave
stack
> players by rasing 25k almost every hand and although they are openly
talking
> about what you are doing none of them want to stand up to you and risk
being the
> bubble, particually as they know that soon the short stack will get
blinded
> away.when it get round for the short stack to post his big blind / your
small
> blind you chuck pocket aces face up into the muck. Everyone complains as
you
> were a big fav to take out the bubble who would almost certainly call any
raise
> at this point. Does anyone else agree with me that this is a good fold as
it
> mean you can keep steeling for all the other player with little risk of a
call?
I think folding here is a great move. Showing face up is pointless, and
ridiculous.
As a chip leader, there is nothing better than a bubble situation with a guy
on life support. He is your friend. You'll make far more than the 2.5K he
has just by keeping him alive. >> Stay informed about: folding aces pre flop - help please |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:45 am
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