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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:14 am
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On Apr 4, 1:57 pm, Lute <lutelat... RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I tip waiters and waitresses, I tip valet car
> staff, I even tip the guy who mows my lawn. But when it comes to
> tipping dealers, I have severely reduced my tips, and I now tip only
> when I am ahead of the game (with some exceptions as noted below).
>
> Tipping poker dealers is a really bad deal, once you start adding up
> the cost. Let's say you tip about five percent of each pot you win.
> That's an enormous price, considering that your cost of winning that
> one pot is the dollar amount of lost bets (including blinds) that you
> make prior to winning that pot.
>
> One of the reasons I play mostly online nowadays is that the cost of
> tipping is eliminated altogether. (Also, the rake is about half of a
> b&m game.) That's a significant increase in profit.
>
> I have the utmost regard for those poker dealers who are really good,
> who keep control of the table, and who make the experience more
> pleasant. I never stiff these guys and gals, even when I am behind.
> They should get paid more.
>
> But most dealers are not that good. My main complaint is about
> dealers that allow players (not in the hand) to get away with talking
> about a hand during play that may harm an active player. But plenty
> of dealers are just mediocre, and do not earn their $30 plus/hour
> tips.
>
> In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
> received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> over the long haul.
>
> Psychologically, it is difficult to withhold tips to which dealers
> feel entitled, but I'm overcoming that. Call me greedy, but I think
> that the whole dealer-tipping thing is based on the invalid concept
> that a won poker pot is "free money" to the winner. It's not. When
> you add up the overhead and opportunity costs, there is a lot of
> investment involved in that end-of-month withdrawal from the poker
> account. And of course, when you have a losing month, every dollar in
> tips only adds to the losses.
It's your prerogative to tip or not, not tipping just makes you a bad
person, that's all. Nobody expects you to tip when you take down the
blinds, or even when you take down a $12 pot with a flop bet. If you
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:04 am
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:47 am
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On Apr 5 2008 12:32 AM, MrBookworm wrote:
> > In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
> > received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
> > am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
> > over the long haul.
>
> I have no idea why anyone tips a dealer. With the amount of money raked by
> the house I feel no reason to tip. If the dealer doesn't like it, tough,
> get another job. If anyone bitches to me about it at a tabe I correctly
> point out that their beef is with the house for not paying a decent wage.
>
> Dean
Yeah, you're an asshole.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:48 am
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On Apr 5 2008 10:45 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
> On Apr 4 2008 8:57 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
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> >
> > But wait, you win an average of 3 pots per hour. We'll say $3 rake per
> > pot (assuming a $4 rake that doesn't always get maxed out) and there's a
> > jackpot drop of $1. Now you're only making $14.25 an hour. That's more
> > like vocational school money. But wait, you tip $1/hand you win. Now
> > you're making $11.25 - McDonalds manager money. But wait - you get a
> > drink per hour, and tip the drink girl $1.
>
> No fucking way Cincy is only getting one drink per hour. Neither are me
> and Tanya for that matter.
I don't expect to be sober at Barge.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:06 pm
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"FL Turbo" <noemail.DeleteThis@notime.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:03:55 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for.DeleteThis@it.com> wrote:
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>>"Lute" <lutelatner.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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>>> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>>
>>Most of you are prolly yanks, I am english, I rarely tip anyone for
>>anything, unless the service which is provided is above and beyond the
>>expected, these people do earn a wage ya know, I never feel like I HAVE TO
>>tip, sod that shit, any sob stories about they got kids to feed and shit,
>>well, if their standard wage is not enough, they should get a higher paid
>>job, I have kids to feed to. People who EXPECT tips are just rip of
>>merchants, anyone who deserves a tip, gets it.
>>
>
> Being an American, I look with dismay at the writing and spelling
> skills of my fellow countrymen.
>
> Usually, the skills of Brits at writing and spelling are better.
> Sadly, in your case not so much.
>
> "...I have kids to feed to." ??
>
> Too, to, two, tutu.
> Which one of those do not belong with the others?
>
> Now, having said that.
> I do agree with your sentiments.
>
> If they don't like the wages at their job, let them go get another
> one.
>
> I still do tip waiters, though.
> It's expected.
So's tipping dealers.
If they raised the wages, they'd raise the rake.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:06 pm
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On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:06:35 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
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>"FL Turbo" <noemail DeleteThis @notime.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:03:55 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for DeleteThis @it.com> wrote:
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>>>"Lute" <lutelatner DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
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>>>> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
>>>
>>>Most of you are prolly yanks, I am english, I rarely tip anyone for
>>>anything, unless the service which is provided is above and beyond the
>>>expected, these people do earn a wage ya know, I never feel like I HAVE TO
>>>tip, sod that shit, any sob stories about they got kids to feed and shit,
>>>well, if their standard wage is not enough, they should get a higher paid
>>>job, I have kids to feed to. People who EXPECT tips are just rip of
>>>merchants, anyone who deserves a tip, gets it.
>>>
>>
>> Being an American, I look with dismay at the writing and spelling
>> skills of my fellow countrymen.
>>
>> Usually, the skills of Brits at writing and spelling are better.
>> Sadly, in your case not so much.
>>
>> "...I have kids to feed to." ??
>>
>> Too, to, two, tutu.
>> Which one of those do not belong with the others?
>>
>> Now, having said that.
>> I do agree with your sentiments.
>>
>> If they don't like the wages at their job, let them go get another
>> one.
>>
>> I still do tip waiters, though.
>> It's expected.
>
>So's tipping dealers.
>
>If they raised the wages, they'd raise the rake.
>Is that better or worse?
>
That would be the Socialist's way.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:06 pm
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:07 pm
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"MrBookworm" <poker DeleteThis @kerl.com> wrote in message
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>> In the end, the decision is financial. I'll pay value for value
>> received. But as I reevaluate my profit/loss patterns in the game, I
>> am becoming increasingly aware that dealer tips can be very expensive
>> over the long haul.
>
> I have no idea why anyone tips a dealer. With the amount of money raked by
> the house I feel no reason to tip. If the dealer doesn't like it, tough,
> get another job. If anyone bitches to me about it at a tabe I correctly
> point out that their beef is with the house for not paying a decent wage.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:07 pm
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> So when the house raises their wages and ups the rake, what do you do?
The rake is already too high. The very reason I don’t play at the casino is
because they not only take 10%, but a buck for the jackpot and about 4% for
the “month end tournament,” (I don’t play). A 15% rake is too much. On line
is 5%.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:11 pm
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On Apr 5 2008 8:42 AM, MrBookworm wrote:
> > Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a rock, you
> > should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
> > expectation that they will receive tips.
>
> I do not equate waiters and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I eat
> out, close to 20%.
>
> > If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to be
> > one too.
>
> I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I only explained why I
> don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think you're getting any
> value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the table my point
> is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay dealers a
> decent wage.
>
> Dean
Most semi full time players dont understand they toke away a new car every year.
Many toke off way more than they make during the year.
If you are playing for a living paying attention to what you toke off is very
important. If dealers dont understand how it works then they are fools.
The full time players keep the games alive allowing the dealers to work and make
tokes. If is a win win give give plan. No dealer should be upset at a full
time players that tokes very little.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:11 pm
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On Apr 5 2008 12:11 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> On Apr 5 2008 8:42 AM, MrBookworm wrote:
>
> > > Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a rock, you
> > > should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
> > > expectation that they will receive tips.
> >
> > I do not equate waiters and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I eat
> > out, close to 20%.
> >
> > > If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to be
> > > one too.
> >
> > I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I only explained why I
> > don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think you're getting any
> > value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the table my point
> > is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay dealers a
> > decent wage.
> >
> > Dean
>
>
> Most semi full time players dont understand they toke away a new car every
year.
> Many toke off way more than they make during the year.
> If you are playing for a living paying attention to what you toke off is very
> important. If dealers dont understand how it works then they are fools.
> The full time players keep the games alive allowing the dealers to work and
make
> tokes. If is a win win give give plan. No dealer should be upset at a full
> time players that tokes very little.
My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:11 pm
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On Apr 5 2008 3:46 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> On Apr 5 2008 12:11 PM, arlo payne wrote:
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> > On Apr 5 2008 8:42 AM, MrBookworm wrote:
> >
> > > > Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a rock, you
> > > > should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
> > > > expectation that they will receive tips.
> > >
> > > I do not equate waiters and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I
eat
> > > out, close to 20%.
> > >
> > > > If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others to
be
> > > > one too.
> > >
> > > I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I only explained why
I
> > > don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think you're getting any
> > > value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the table my point
> > > is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay dealers a
> > > decent wage.
> > >
> > > Dean
> >
> >
> > Most semi full time players dont understand they toke away a new car every
> year.
> > Many toke off way more than they make during the year.
> > If you are playing for a living paying attention to what you toke off is
very
> > important. If dealers dont understand how it works then they are fools.
> > The full time players keep the games alive allowing the dealers to work and
> make
> > tokes. If is a win win give give plan. No dealer should be upset at a
full
> > time players that tokes very little.
>
> My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
Ok, let's do the math....
you play at least 30 hands an hour
you win 1/10
thats 3 bucks an hour
40 hours a week
120 a week ! thats if you only play ten handed games that are slow and you
only play 40 hours a week
6 grand a year to a dealer ?
thats 60k a year for each dealer that has 1 buck a pot from each player.
Naturally dealers will whine because you want more tips.
I will tip less now.
Thanks for prompting me to do the math.
If you want to make some cash, deal with someone you know, ME !!!
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:11 pm
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On Apr 5 2008 6:48 PM, igotskillz com wrote:
> On Apr 5 2008 3:46 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Apr 5 2008 12:11 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 5 2008 8:42 AM, MrBookworm wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Because we're not cheap ass clowns. Unless you live under a rock, you
> > > > > should know that waiters and poker dealers are paid based on the
> > > > > expectation that they will receive tips.
> > > >
> > > > I do not equate waiters and poker dealers. I am a decent tipper when I
> eat
> > > > out, close to 20%.
> > > >
> > > > > If you want to be an asshole, that's fine. Just don't expect others
to
> be
> > > > > one too.
> > > >
> > > > I don't expect anyone else at the table to not tip. I only explained
why
> I
> > > > don't. You are welcome to tip away, I jus don't think you're getting
any
> > > > value for your money. If someone has a beef with me at the table my
point
> > > > is that the house makes more than enough from the rake to pay dealers a
> > > > decent wage.
> > > >
> > > > Dean
> > >
> > >
> > > Most semi full time players dont understand they toke away a new car
every
> > year.
> > > Many toke off way more than they make during the year.
> > > If you are playing for a living paying attention to what you toke off is
> very
> > > important. If dealers dont understand how it works then they are fools.
> > > The full time players keep the games alive allowing the dealers to work
and
> > make
> > > tokes. If is a win win give give plan. No dealer should be upset at a
> full
> > > time players that tokes very little.
> >
> > My god you're a blathering idiot. "Toke away a new car?" Please...just
> > stop. A fucking $1 a pot! Give me a fucking break.
>
> Ok, let's do the math....
>
> you play at least 30 hands an hour
> you win 1/10
> thats 3 bucks an hour
> 40 hours a week
> 120 a week ! thats if you only play ten handed games that are slow and you
> only play 40 hours a week
>
> 6 grand a year to a dealer ?
> thats 60k a year for each dealer that has 1 buck a pot from each player.
>
> Naturally dealers will whine because you want more tips.
>
> I will tip less now.
>
> Thanks for prompting me to do the math.
>
>
>
> If you want to make some cash, deal with someone you know, ME !!!
>
> www.MySavingSpot.com
What kind of new car are we buying for 6k? Reread what Russ said, numbnuts.
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"FL Turbo" <noemail RemoveThis @notime.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:03:55 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for RemoveThis @it.com> wrote:
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> >
> >"Lute" <lutelatner RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
> >news:83ede392-589d-404b-b172-4e2b339d7485@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> I Am Too Cheap To Tip Dealers.
> >
> >Most of you are prolly yanks, I am english, I rarely tip anyone for
> >anything, unless the service which is provided is above and beyond the
> >expected, these people do earn a wage ya know, I never feel like I HAVE
TO
> >tip, sod that shit, any sob stories about they got kids to feed and shit,
> >well, if their standard wage is not enough, they should get a higher paid
> >job, I have kids to feed to. People who EXPECT tips are just rip of
> >merchants, anyone who deserves a tip, gets it.
> >
>
> Being an American, I look with dismay at the writing and spelling
> skills of my fellow countrymen.
>
> Usually, the skills of Brits at writing and spelling are better.
> Sadly, in your case not so much.
>
> "...I have kids to feed to." ??
>
> Too, to, two, tutu.
> Which one of those do not belong with the others?
Mate, check the time of posting... 
> Now, having said that.
> I do agree with your sentiments.
>
> If they don't like the wages at their job, let them go get another
> one.
>
> I still do tip waiters, though.
> It's expected.
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