Quick Stud 8 question

External Since: Feb 22, 2007 Posts: 1359

A few years back I totally destroyed Stars 30-60 stud hi lo game. Now
I can't beat a 3-6 game li lo on Stars? Something wrong? Yes, and it
isn't me.

Russ Georgiev

On Jul 22, 8:16ï¿½am, "Howard Beale" <a1... RemoveThis @webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Jul 22 2008 8:42 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
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> > Wow, thanks Stephen. ï¿½You don't know how much this helps me cope with this
> > losing streak.
> > By all accounts so far, anybody that can play a lick wins all the time. ï¿½
> > I got rid of my SS1, but I will look for that chapter on the net.
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> > I have a book by Linda Johnson and some dude whose name I can't remember
> > now. ï¿½It is pretty basic if you ask me. ï¿½
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> > It just makes me crazy that I wait and wait for good starting hands and it
> > is like I am pouring money down a hole with brick after brick or no action
> > when I do make a little something.
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> > Thanks again
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> > On Jul 22 2008 9:07 AM, Stephen Jacobs wrote:
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> > > "Will_gamble" <will_gamb... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:va1hl5xjsm.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > > Since all my distinguished colleagues on RGP have said that stud 8 is
> > > > truly a game where the most skillful player wins, I decided to give it
> > > > another go.
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> Are you playing online? ï¿½The games SUCK online and are often incredible
> live. ï¿½I know one of the best Stud/8 players around and he tells me that
> the $30 game on Stars is simply not playable anymore and that you have to
> drop down to 3-6 and below to get a decent game and even those aren't so
> hot. ï¿½This has been my experience on FT and is the reason I've switched to
> Stud/Hi.
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> HB
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> Howard Beale
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External Since: Feb 22, 2007 Posts: 1359

Hey Wolf

Stating KK and 23568 are 50-50 is the most ridiculous statement I may
have ever heard on this NG in poker. First, the KK may not even had a
chance for low, so now he must call three large bets to perhaps get
his money back. So in theory, he's 50-50 of splitting and 50% in
losing it all.

On Jul 22, 8:29ï¿½am, Old Wolf <oldw... DeleteThis @inspire.net.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 12:44 am, "Will_gamble" <will_gamb... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > I am down a couple hundred big bets and I am really uncertain if it is my
> > play or the usual run of bad luck that I experience when I change games or
> > levels.
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> Post a hand history of a full playing session.
> (Not selected bad beats). Then people will
> be able to tell you if you are playing badly
> or just getting unlucky.
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> > Generally 80% of my playing hands are three babies that will make a
> > straight at worst, usually to a 7. ï¿½I read if you make four babies on
> > fourth street, you have an 80% chance to make low.
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> Perhaps you should stick to reading accurate information!
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> > I generally play it out if I make 4 babies on 4th or 5th street,
> > especially heads up or when I am the only one that appears to be going
> > low. ï¿½Should I be folding these?
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> If you are drawing to half the pot, then you will
> sometimes get your money back, and sometimes
> lose it all. Obviously this is a long term loser.
> You should fold if you don't have
> outs to scoop the pot, unless odds are very
> favourable for drawing to half the pot.
> This applies preflop too; 863 is a horrible
> starting hand.
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> It sounds like you are overvaluing low hands.
> A low draw heads up is bad; a low draw is
> much better in a multiway pot in which nobody
> else has a better low draw.
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> HU, four low cards are not a monster, 8632 is
> 50/50 with a pair of kings. And if you don't
> make your low on 5th then you are a 2-1 dog
> to draw out on the remaining two streets.
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> You've got to give up low-low-low-low-brick
> unless it is a low draw that can scoop,
> e.g. 6543, or Axxx if you think that a pair
> of aces will be good for high -- in which
> case you call. Even 6543Q is still only
> 50/50 against the pair of kings. Good
> players will charge you the maximum to
> draw to your low.
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> Pop quiz - with your low draw, would you rather
> be heads up vs. a high, or heads up vs. a worse
> low draw?
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> > Almost all of the time I am the aggressor and one or two people just won't
> > go away and I usually brick out or get rivered and there goes 5 BB. ï¿½Then
> > it is wait 5 to ten hands for decent starting cards, repeat cycle.
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> When playing calling stations, you should not
> bluff. Value bet when you are pretty sure you
> are ahead, check/call if unsure and you have
> good pot odds to call. It's OK to show weakness
> if you actually are weak. You'll either get a free card,
> or the opponent will bet and then it costs you
> the same as if you'd bet out. Plus this can
> give you the option of check/raising your
> good hands. I've seen people get in
> check/raises on 5th, 6th, and 7th, and scoop!
>
> Finally, the swings are big in this game.
> You can play perfectly and lose 60BB in
> a session, especially against calling stations.
> I recommend reading the section in SuperSystem 2
> on this game, it is well laid out and teaches all
> the important concepts.