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BlakeC

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:33 am
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1$/2$
delt 9s 9h on the big blind, four callers, I raise,
am resraised by caller four, other three call.

flop Kd Kh 9c

I bet Callers one folds, rest call only

Turn Qs

I bet, raised by caller 2, caller 3 folds, 4 calls,
I reraise, caller 2 caps the bet, 4 calls.

River Jh

I check, raiser bets, 4 calls, I call.

Raiser shows J10
Caller shows AA

I win with full house.

How could I have played this better?

blake

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:51 am
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"BlakeC" <anonymous.RemoveThis@tierasyl.com> wrote in message news:<3f8a2b31$0$236$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> 1$/2$
> delt 9s 9h on the big blind, four callers, I raise,
> am resraised by caller four, other three call.
>
> flop Kd Kh 9c
>
> I bet Callers one folds, rest call only
>
> Turn Qs
>
> I bet, raised by caller 2, caller 3 folds, 4 calls,
> I reraise, caller 2 caps the bet, 4 calls.
>
> River Jh
>
> I check, raiser bets, 4 calls, I call.

You have a full house. Why did you check? If anything, the J
strengthened your position, because it puts more straights on the
board.

I would've raised at the end there.. Sure, there's some worry that
you're beaten by another full house (say KJo), but I'd think anyone
with a K would've raised the flop given the betting. Either
bet-reraise or check-raise. The check was a little suspicious after
you three-bet the turn anyway. I would've put you on Kx once you
checked the river.

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Just John

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:30 am
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blake,
I'm somewhat of a newbie too, but if you don't mind here's what I think.
(I would expect my analysis will be ripped apart by others, but that's how I
can learn something too.)
I don't think you're the one who needs to worry about how you played the
hand. If I followed correctly, was the guy with JT doing all the raising? If
so, he should be the one asking this question. It looks like AA went along
for the ride, hoping another A would show up (or that you had overplayed
your hand).
I probably would not have raised before the flop with 99 and four
callers ahead of me. The reraise would have made me think a bit too. In
fact, I'd be happy I was the BB so I wouldn't need to think about folding.
But, that may be a matter of my style.
After the flop, the "nuts" hand would have been KK; and K9 would also
have beat you. Since nobody raised, it was probably a good bet that nobody
had either combination. There's a real good chance that somebody with Kx
(giving them trip Kings) would have raised. (There's a slight chance they
may have been slow playing the hand until the turn when the bets go up, but
most $1/2 players don't think that far ahead.)
After the Q on the turn, you could have lost to KK, KQ, K9, or QQ. By the
same logic as the flop, we probably know that nobody had a pocket K. So QQ
is the only hand that should scare you at this point. With four different
suits on the board, a straight flush is totally out of the question.
You played aggressively here. This is also where caller 2 came out
firing. It looks like you (correctly) put caller 2 on the straight, rather
than quads or a bigger full house. (I love it when I have a full house and
somebody else has a straight or a flush!)
With the J river card, the only additional hand that could have beaten
you was JJ.
I'm wondering why you didn't check-raise, especially since you had bet
and reraised on the turn.
It's hard to read players in low-limit. I play $2/4, and there are people
who raise whenever they have two cards that are the same color. But at this
point you had a lot of money in the pot, you seemed pretty confident that
you had the winner. So, an extra $2 could have gotten you an extra $4 in
profit.
Not a huge deal financially, but it would have sent an even stronger
message to the other players.
You certainly don't want people at the poker table to think you're a
"Nice Guy".
Now that I've gone through all that, I realize that I'm only looking at
what actually did happen. As you were playing the hand, did you consider
what "might" happen on the next card? Even though you were sitting there
with nines full, there are several overcards that are unaccounted for that
could have spoiled you party.
Specifically, if an A showed up, "caller" would have had aces full. If
another K showed up, anybody with a pair higher than 99 would have beaten
you (in this case, you would have come in "third place"). But I think the
odds were in your favor.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:42 am
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The bet on the river made me think he might have something,
especialy after the bets on the turn.

I thought if I raised and he reraised I'd be drawing dead. Turned out he
was
dead from card one, and was trying to scare me out.

any thoughts

blake

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:42 am
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You reraised him on the turn, so you must have thought you had him beat
then. The check-call on the river showed a little bit of doubt on your part.
Betting or check-raising would have shown more confidence.

But as I say, the guy who ended up with the straight is the one who really
needs to think about how he played.

You played the cards right, you just didn't quite maximize your profits. He
seemed to have no clue that he was in trouble. Did he seem surprised when he
saw your full house?

> The bet on the river made me think he might have something,
> especialy after the bets on the turn.
>
> I thought if I raised and he reraised I'd be drawing dead. Turned out he
> was
> dead from card one, and was trying to scare me out.
>
> any thoughts
>
> blake
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:42 am
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"BlakeC" <anonymous.DeleteThis@tierasyl.com> wrote in message news:<3f8a7379$0$37006$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> The bet on the river made me think he might have something,
> especialy after the bets on the turn.
>
> I thought if I raised and he reraised I'd be drawing dead. Turned out he
> was
> dead from card one, and was trying to scare me out.

I assume you mean "beaten". You can't be drawing dead on the river.
There's always a risk that you're beaten, but how many hands could he
plausibly have had that beat you? (really just QQ and JJ, I think..
unlikely that anyone had a K). The most likely event was that he had
a straight.

Ask yourself why you three-bet and then called a capped pot on the
turn, but then just check-called the river. Only two hands were added
to the "danger zone" on the river: KJ and JJ. Any other hand you
beat, and with JJ he probably wouldn't have raised and then capped on
the turn.

Can't imagine that anyone would be trying to scare you out on the
river after the betting on the turn. With a pot THAT large, and with
so many callers, is everyone (six players?) going to fold to a single
bet on the river? No way.. He had to be betting for value (though he
was beaten by a lot of hands, including ATo.. bad play on his part),
and you should be raising for value.

JD
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:51 am
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You didn't get raised on the flop, then get raised on the turn. First
thing that comes to my mind is the raiser was slow playing 3 kings. I
think caping the bet on the turn and just calling on the river was not
a bad play. Once the Q or J fell the chances of someone filling his 3
kings are much greater then someone having K9. If anything smaller
then a 9 would have fallen on the turn and river, I would try and cap
to the river especially because you have a third caller in the game.
If you lose the hand you lose the same amount, but if you win you win
twice as much because of that third caller.

Just my 2 cents





"BlakeC" <anonymous DeleteThis @tierasyl.com> wrote in message news:<3f8a2b31$0$236$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> 1$/2$
> delt 9s 9h on the big blind, four callers, I raise,
> am resraised by caller four, other three call.
>
> flop Kd Kh 9c
>
> I bet Callers one folds, rest call only
>
> Turn Qs
>
> I bet, raised by caller 2, caller 3 folds, 4 calls,
> I reraise, caller 2 caps the bet, 4 calls.
>
> River Jh
>
> I check, raiser bets, 4 calls, I call.
>
> Raiser shows J10
> Caller shows AA
>
> I win with full house.
>
> How could I have played this better?
>
> blake
>
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