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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:51 pm
Post subject: First hand of a tournament (BAHH). Played? Call?
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The 20K guaranteed on FT the other night. $20+4 or $22+4 or something like
that, around 1100 players.
Very first hand - in the SB with 6h-10d. See the flop with 5 others for the BB.
Flop is 7s,8s,9s. I check. I almost bet, but figured that I don't mind seeing
a free card here since I'm probably not get the As to fold anyway with 2 to
come, so I'd like to see a bet from someone, then I call, and give him the wrong
odds on the turn to draw to it. Looking back, I think that this was a weak play
- I should have bet just to see where I was.
Anyway, checked to last to act, who goes all-in. Yes, he bet 1460 to win the
240 in the pot. I figure he has the naked As or 2 pair at the best, so I'm
about 2-1 at worst, so I call. He has 7-5 off, no spade. Pairs his 5 on the
turn but river is a blank and I double up.
Anyway, would be interested in any thoughts on both the check and the call. If
I bet with 5 to act after me on the flop, if someone raises, I probably have to
lay it down. If I check and if someone bets 200 or so, not sure I can call
since I then almost commited myself to calling at least a turn bet (unless
another spade hits, or there are other callers/raisers). Obviously the all in
was fishy and I took a shot that worked out.
Thoughts?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:51 pm
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JohnnyCoconuts wrote:
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> Anyway, would be interested in any thoughts on both the check and the call. If
> I bet with 5 to act after me on the flop, if someone raises, I probably have to
> lay it down. If I check and if someone bets 200 or so, not sure I can call
> since I then almost commited myself to calling at least a turn bet (unless
> another spade hits, or there are other callers/raisers). Obviously the all in
> was fishy and I took a shot that worked out.
What? Why would you have to lay that down if someone raised you. You
should be jumping for joy if someone raises you after you lead out. If
they has J10 then so be it.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:51 pm
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JohnnyCoconuts wrote:
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> Thoughts?
Best possible result, luck on almost the worst possible flop.
Flops like this are exactly why you shouldn't play hands like this
casually. You might hit your hand, call all-in and lose.
There is almost no way to play this hand well. You either are way ahead
or way behind. And it is difficult if your opponents are willing to get
all their chips in, for you to not do the same, with absolutely no idea
if you are ahead or behind.
If you check you are vulnerable to a ten, a spade or to pairing the
board. You are vulnerable to a bluff and a slow-play. And all of this
for the low price of 30 chips, and or 1500 chips!
You got lucky he misplayed the end, you got even luckier that there was
no slow-player/cowboy behind you.
Good result, thank your lucky stars, decent read on the bad player, and
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:51 pm
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> The 20K guaranteed on FT the other night. $20+4 or $22+4 or something like
> that, around 1100 players.
This is the same tourney from the hand I posted yesterday. It's $24+$2,
and is a donk filled minefield of brain damaging fun!
> Very first hand - in the SB with 6h-10d. See the flop with 5 others for the
BB.
>
> Flop is 7s,8s,9s. I check. I almost bet, but figured that I don't mind
seeing
> a free card here since I'm probably not get the As to fold anyway with 2 to
> come, so I'd like to see a bet from someone, then I call, and give him the
wrong
> odds on the turn to draw to it. Looking back, I think that this was a weak
play
> - I should have bet just to see where I was.
>
> Anyway, checked to last to act, who goes all-in. Yes, he bet 1460 to win the
> 240 in the pot. I figure he has the naked As or 2 pair at the best, so I'm
> about 2-1 at worst, so I call. He has 7-5 off, no spade. Pairs his 5 on the
> turn but river is a blank and I double up.
>
> Anyway, would be interested in any thoughts on both the check and the call.
If
> I bet with 5 to act after me on the flop, if someone raises, I probably have
to
> lay it down. If I check and if someone bets 200 or so, not sure I can call
> since I then almost commited myself to calling at least a turn bet (unless
> another spade hits, or there are other callers/raisers). Obviously the all
in
> was fishy and I took a shot that worked out.
>
> Thoughts?
I would pot the flop and jam to any raise, or call any jam. A few hands
have you hurting, but in these things you're just as likely to see AK with
no spades as you are JsTs. Based on the play in this tourney and the
hands that people will get married to, I'm attempting to get my stack in
on the flop if at all possible.
If I get flat called, I see what the turn brings. Any non-spade
non-straight card (obv a J is not good here), and I'm just going to jam.
Although the way I've been running in this thing lately, I probably just
check/fold since I'm sure to be drawing dead. lol, that's a joke btw.
Morphy
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:51 pm
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JohnnyCoconuts wrote:
> On Sep 22 2006 2:58 PM, FaceDownAcesUp wrote:
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> > What? Why would you have to lay that down if someone raised you. You
> > should be jumping for joy if someone raises you after you lead out. If
> > they has J10 then so be it.
> >
> > I'm either misunderstanding what you wrote on this must be a troll post.
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> 3 spades on flop.
Yeah, I misread that. Thought there were only 2. Makes sense now.
I still wouldn't fold though. I just consider it like a set over set
situation. If someone already has the flush then it's just bad luck for
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:01 pm
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On Sep 22 2006 2:58 PM, FaceDownAcesUp wrote:
> What? Why would you have to lay that down if someone raised you. You
> should be jumping for joy if someone raises you after you lead out. If
> they has J10 then so be it.
>
> I'm either misunderstanding what you wrote on this must be a troll post.
3 spades on flop.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:04 pm
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I like a check there because I'm OOP for the rest of the hand, and even though I
flopped a straight, I don't really want to play a big pot. So I would
check-call, and see what kind of action there was behind and pray for no more
spades. After this all-in though, honestly, I fold. I would put the bettor on
a low flush, JT, T6, or a set. Without doing the math, I think I'm a dog to
that range. Turns out he was just a maniac, so good call, but I don't think I
care that much about such a small pot to risk my tourney life on it.
On Sep 22 2006 2:51 PM, JohnnyCoconuts wrote:
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> The 20K guaranteed on FT the other night. $20+4 or $22+4 or something like
> that, around 1100 players.
>
> Very first hand - in the SB with 6h-10d. See the flop with 5 others for the
> BB.
>
> Flop is 7s,8s,9s. I check. I almost bet, but figured that I don't mind
> seeing
> a free card here since I'm probably not get the As to fold anyway with 2 to
> come, so I'd like to see a bet from someone, then I call, and give him the
> wrong
> odds on the turn to draw to it. Looking back, I think that this was a weak
> play
> - I should have bet just to see where I was.
>
> Anyway, checked to last to act, who goes all-in. Yes, he bet 1460 to win the
> 240 in the pot. I figure he has the naked As or 2 pair at the best, so I'm
> about 2-1 at worst, so I call. He has 7-5 off, no spade. Pairs his 5 on the
> turn but river is a blank and I double up.
>
> Anyway, would be interested in any thoughts on both the check and the call.
> If
> I bet with 5 to act after me on the flop, if someone raises, I probably have
> to
> lay it down. If I check and if someone bets 200 or so, not sure I can call
> since I then almost commited myself to calling at least a turn bet (unless
> another spade hits, or there are other callers/raisers). Obviously the all in
> was fishy and I took a shot that worked out.
>
> Thoughts?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:50 pm
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1. I lay down the 6hTd preflop. It is worthless, and 3 gappers are very
dangerous. You should have bet the flop, probably 1/2 the pot. Why?
1. For information. You have a VERY SHAKY and Dangerous hand that I would toss
if reraised. TJ, and any 2 spades has you beaten. A hand like TQ has you beaten
if a J falls. There are also very likely 2 pair hands out there that are drawing
to full houses. Even if you have the best hand, there are potentially tons of
outs, and you don't know what they are. Is it a spade? Is it a Jack? Is it a
paired board?
And I don't call the all in bet. You had nothing invested.
2. If someone is on a draw, you want to charge them for the privilege.
On Sep 22 2006 2:51 PM, JohnnyCoconuts wrote:
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> The 20K guaranteed on FT the other night. $20+4 or $22+4 or something like
> that, around 1100 players.
>
> Very first hand - in the SB with 6h-10d. See the flop with 5 others for the
> BB.
>
> Flop is 7s,8s,9s. I check. I almost bet, but figured that I don't mind
> seeing
> a free card here since I'm probably not get the As to fold anyway with 2 to
> come, so I'd like to see a bet from someone, then I call, and give him the
> wrong
> odds on the turn to draw to it. Looking back, I think that this was a weak
> play
> - I should have bet just to see where I was.
>
> Anyway, checked to last to act, who goes all-in. Yes, he bet 1460 to win the
> 240 in the pot. I figure he has the naked As or 2 pair at the best, so I'm
> about 2-1 at worst, so I call. He has 7-5 off, no spade. Pairs his 5 on the
> turn but river is a blank and I double up.
>
> Anyway, would be interested in any thoughts on both the check and the call.
> If
> I bet with 5 to act after me on the flop, if someone raises, I probably have
> to
> lay it down. If I check and if someone bets 200 or so, not sure I can call
> since I then almost commited myself to calling at least a turn bet (unless
> another spade hits, or there are other callers/raisers). Obviously the all in
> was fishy and I took a shot that worked out.
>
> Thoughts?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:15 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:15 am
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I don't know what Morphy has ever done to you, but even I am getting sick
of you stalking him.
On Sep 23 2006 1:15 AM, AtticusCole wrote:
> On Sep 22 2006 8:53 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
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> >
> > This is the same tourney from the hand I posted yesterday. It's $24+$2,
> > and is a donk filled minefield of brain damaging fun!
>
> > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
>
> Naturally then, you MUST have written about it in the
internationally-circulated
> and popular DONKEY MANIFESTO! I've heard that the New York Times is having a
> rough time competing.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:47 am
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I don't like the preflop call, even for 9:1 or 11:1, whichever it was. You
aren't going to flop a great hand with T6o very often, and what's much more
likely is that you'll flop something vaguely attractive that ends up costing
you most of your stack.
Once you see the flop, I definitely think you need to bet out. With that
many opponents, the risk of giving a free card is too great. True, the As
isn't going to fold, but _no one_ with a spade will fold if they don't have
a bet to call. You also don't want to see a T, 9, 8, or 7 -- even a J is
bad news, since it could well cost you half the pot -- so that's 24 possible
turn cards that are going to make you wish you'd bet.
Bet the pot or a little less and see what the action is like. If a lot of
people are anxious to get their money in, you might want out. But if one
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:25 am
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On Sep 22 2006 7:51 PM, JohnnyCoconuts wrote:
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> The 20K guaranteed on FT the other night. $20+4 or $22+4 or something like
> that, around 1100 players.
>
> Very first hand - in the SB with 6h-10d. See the flop with 5 others for the
> BB.
>
> Flop is 7s,8s,9s. I check. I almost bet, but figured that I don't mind
> seeing
> a free card here since I'm probably not get the As to fold anyway with 2 to
> come, so I'd like to see a bet from someone, then I call, and give him the
> wrong
> odds on the turn to draw to it. Looking back, I think that this was a weak
> play
> - I should have bet just to see where I was.
>
> Anyway, checked to last to act, who goes all-in. Yes, he bet 1460 to win the
> 240 in the pot. I figure he has the naked As or 2 pair at the best, so I'm
> about 2-1 at worst, so I call. He has 7-5 off, no spade. Pairs his 5 on the
> turn but river is a blank and I double up.
>
> Anyway, would be interested in any thoughts on both the check and the call.
> If
> I bet with 5 to act after me on the flop, if someone raises, I probably have
> to
> lay it down. If I check and if someone bets 200 or so, not sure I can call
> since I then almost commited myself to calling at least a turn bet (unless
> another spade hits, or there are other callers/raisers). Obviously the all in
> was fishy and I took a shot that worked out.
>
> Thoughts?
Heads-up pot, a marginal call, but with active players behind who miht be
sandbagging a high flush, an easy fold.
The guy could be better with anything from a bluff, a flush draw, the higher
striaght, to a made flush. If he is bluffing, why not wait for a better
opportunity? Plus you have the players behind you to think about.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:38 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:48 pm
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"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905.DeleteThis@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:fi1ju3x7sf.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > I don't know what Morphy has ever done to you, but even I am getting
sick
> > > of you stalking him.
> >
> > Well said, Chimp. Me too.
>
> Heh, don't know what he said, I killfiled the guy after he proved he had
> nothing original to offer. I appreciate a good insult, and the stalking
> thing is sort of cool too, but when the guy can't come up with anything
> original, into the plonker he goes!
>
> Morphy
Good for you, Morphy. Seriously.
Keep the Manifesto going; it is funny, and enjoyed by many.
Regards,
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